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    Quote Originally Posted by PeppermintBrown View Post
    Preen all you want. In the end it will change nothing, and sooner or later you'll either be back to healing or someone else will take that spot.
    The people who “take that spot” will then come to the same realization as the rest of us, and the cycle will continue anew.
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    It's so unserious to you that you have to act like a Saturday cartoon villain?

    Even if you don't agree with the strike, this is feedback that's been pushed since 2020. I think it at least warrants a proper response from the devs.
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    Zepla has also covered this thread in her latest video.
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    Why do people always come into this thread to call us selfish? Isn't this what they've told us all this time? "If you don't like it, don't play it"?

    Well, we're no longer playing what we don't like, what exactly is the problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Why do people always come into this thread to call us selfish? Isn't this what they've told us all this time? "If you don't like it, don't play it"?

    Well, we're no longer playing what we don't like, what exactly is the problem?
    Do you or others posting here complain about those who make the "I'm quitting the game" threads? Tell them "So then just quit, you don't need to announce it"?

    It's natural that many are going to have the same response to this thread. "So then just stop playing healer, you don't need to announce it."

    They probably consider it selfish because the thread is attention-seeking and encouraging others to quit as well to create a bargaining chip to get what the dissatisfied posters want.

    if others want to quit healing because they're unhappy, they will. There's no need for anyone to tell them to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Do you or others posting here complain about those who make the "I'm quitting the game" threads? Tell them "So then just quit, you don't need to announce it"?

    It's natural that many are going to have the same response to this thread. "So then just stop playing healer, you don't need to announce it."

    They probably consider it selfish because the thread is attention-seeking and encouraging others to quit as well to create a bargaining chip to get what the dissatisfied posters want.

    if others want to quit healing because they're unhappy, they will. There's no need for anyone to tell them to do it.
    No saying “just shut up and quit” on those threads is just as stupid because that person is leaving and giving the last of their feedback, that’s a time people should be even more strongly acknowledging them
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    No saying “just shut up and quit” on those threads is just as stupid because that person is leaving and giving the last of their feedback, that’s a time people should be even more strongly acknowledging them
    I agree but that's not how everyone sees things.

    For many, perception is reality. That's all I've been trying to do here - point out that how things get phrased will affect how others react to those things.

    It's not helping that you have some "strikers" making statements that contradict statements from others. People being people, many are going to focus on the more negative sounding takes instead of on the general message. They're going to act hostilely in return.

    None of you should be surprised when it happens. Better to not even comment on the hostile posts.

    Yes, I know I'm bumping this to give it more exposure. I've said before that I agree that something needs to be done about design to improve the game experience for those who are healing mains. I agree with some of the stated reasons why the problems exist and disagree with others.

    I still think that an actual strike is not the correct approach to getting problems fixed. As one of the JP posters pointed out earlier, strikes are not seen favorably in Japan and it is Japanese developers that you have to convince to make changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post

    I still think that an actual strike is not the correct approach to getting problems fixed. As one of the JP posters pointed out earlier, strikes are not seen favorably in Japan and it is Japanese developers that you have to convince to make changes.
    well then, give options.

    you say this isnt the way to do it... there are reasonable, well thought out posts regarding this that have been tried, with examples of the issue and potential things that could be tried to resolve it. seemingly ignored.

    so, what is your way? just keep playing a healer main and wish for pink skies and roses that things will somehow improve? we tried that too.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    I agree but that's not how everyone sees things.

    For many, perception is reality. That's all I've been trying to do here - point out that how things get phrased will affect how others react to those things.

    It's not helping that you have some "strikers" making statements that contradict statements from others. People being people, many are going to focus on the more negative sounding takes instead of on the general message. They're going to act hostilely in return.

    None of you should be surprised when it happens. Better to not even comment on the hostile posts.

    Yes, I know I'm bumping this to give it more exposure. I've said before that I agree that something needs to be done about design to improve the game experience for those who are healing mains. I agree with some of the stated reasons why the problems exist and disagree with others.

    I still think that an actual strike is not the correct approach to getting problems fixed. As one of the JP posters pointed out earlier, strikes are not seen favorably in Japan and it is Japanese developers that you have to convince to make changes.
    I agree that it's best not to give certain posts that are like there just to provoke people additional visibility.

    However, I believe that it's not realistic to expect that we won't find some contradictory statements, there are various viewpoints. If some people "act hostile"- well, a person can only control their own reactions, I wouldn't react in kind. If necessary, block that person.

    Regarding calling it a "strike"- I appreciated hearing how strikes are frowned upon due to cultural differences, I wish we had know that before, perhaps we could have co-operated with their community and called it something else. However, that ship has sailed, however nothing prevents their community from starting something and calling it whatever they want.
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    The sad thing is when people quit and can't get a chance to explain why the developers don't get any real feedback
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    your titanmen, hes titanmen IM TITANMEN are there anymore titanmens i should know about?

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