#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[xbahax92]

Well, if some one is ignorant of or willing to selfishly ignore the fact that healing is fun for a lot of people, sure.

A myopic egocentric world-view based on the assumption no one with any sense could possibly enjoy something you don't (here, FFXIV healing) is a bit of a problem in an MMO with millions of players from a variety of different cultures and backgrounds.
It wouldn't be a surprise if the devs generally ignore people with such world-views.

[Edit: that's a rhetorical "you," not a reference to you personally or anyone else in particular either.]

I know there are players who like the current state of healers. Their opinion as important as players who dislike the current state. You just barely see them in here, maybe they're scared to post? But then again, you have people who laugh their butts off and ignore every based opinion as well.

In my opinion, healers are fun to an extend. My best example is Thaleia. It is such an easy 24man raid, with very trivial and easy telegraphed mechanics. Since battle designs tend to be very static, you simply memorize mechanics after some time. This is where healing gets simply boring. Everyone starts to survive without my heals.

So healers job is to heal tank busters (which dont hurt must of the time anyway) and pop an OGCD's for a raidwide aoe. And during the remaining fight you're spamming your 1-1-1 rotation. And honestly, I'm one of those who use Assize, Earthly Star, Macrocosmos and Pneuma for additional DPS. The heal is just a bonus.

[Maximilian_Staufen]

Honestly I don't need a more complex rotation, that's not the issue to me. It makes no difference to me if I have to press 1-1-1 or 1-2-3 except that the latter wastes more hotbar space. Instead I want the devs to give me more reasons to heal. More unavoidable incoming damage ESPECIALLY in casual content. More reason for me to stay vigilant and keep my group healthy. I want to have a reason to use GCDs on heals, I don't want to feel comfortable with my whole party at near death for huge chunks of an encounter and I ESPECIALLY don't want to be able to solve all casual content just with oGCD weaving.

I play healers to heal, not to DPS.

[Taranok]

Will believe when I see it.

It may be good but it may as well just be a PR move to save face due to the bad reception of DT changes

It's also something of: What does this mean? Personally, every class should be extremely simple to play when every fight is extremely complicated compared to what came before, down to and including dungeons. Stormblood got away with extremely complicated classes because the fights were extremely simple and had enough wiggle room for sloppy play (which is part of why SB had the best fights outright in my opinion.) Despite this, I'm very happy the jank has been removed, and I really don't want class individuality to come back in the form of both jank and skill floors.

So, is improving individuality removing addle/feint so only rphys have that effect? Is it trimming back the ridiculous amount of medica 1s healers have? Is it making the game like HW again? It could mean so, so much.

[Bun_Vivant]

Honey dear,

Patronizing much?

even in this answer you described you fail to see the main reason why the healer role needs changes. You and your partner are having fun playing healers in the described scenario completely unrelated to the fact you queued for the content as healer. It fully depends on the fact whether or not you get party members who are bad at the game.

Not for me it doesn't. I like carrying sprouts. I like rockin' the dungeon with true experts too.
See I used to be in a dance troupe, with people both better and worse than myself, and as long
as nobody got concussed by the sticks (it was Morris dancing) I always had fun.

Because doing the dance as well as I personally could was fun, regardless of (but sometimes enhanced by) what other people did.
But if you don't enjoy the dancing, then whether you're dancing with Fred Astaire or Erkle won't make a difference.
And if you do enjoy the dancing, nothing short of hailstones or broken bones will change that.

But my spouse, coming off a stomach upset, had done four DFs in a row with bad tanks (not all as heals BTW) and it was getting a bit old.

[strawman deleted]

Deary, arguing with yourself like that may be a sign you need professional help, bless your heart.

[Rehayem]

Honestly I don't need a more complex rotation, that's not the issue to me. It makes no difference to me if I have to press 1-1-1 or 1-2-3 except that the latter wastes more hotbar space. Instead I want the devs to give me more reasons to heal. More unavoidable incoming damage ESPECIALLY in casual content. More reason for me to stay vigilant and keep my group healthy. I want to have a reason to use GCDs on heals, I don't want to feel comfortable with my whole party at near death for huge chunks of an encounter and I ESPECIALLY don't want to be able to solve all casual content just with oGCD weaving.

I play healers to heal, not to DPS.

What is there to heal? Healers want to heal more, there's just not enough incoming damage to force that when tanks can heal the party by themselves, i.e. Shake it Off by War. So, what are you doing then? Standing there doing nothing while they carry you? You're basically confirming the idea that healers are useless in any content. Healers aren't needed, that's the reality of it, and you might be there just for the faster queues.

[ty_taurus]

When it comes to players who are content with the current state of healers, my argument is that I don't believe the current healer design is the maximum those players can tolerate. I would actually argue most are probably indifferent either way, but even those who would prefer very little DPS complexity would still be comfortable with a little more--enough to where we could perhaps find a happy medium. But also, like with tanks, healers can approach complexity differently.

White Mage can stand to have more to work with, but can still be relatively simple all things considered--a job with a few more tools to work with, but tools that are straightforward with a lower APM. Meanwhile, allow Sage to develop more complexity and speed to its DPS. Its identity revolves around DPS, so it should lean into that more. Sage really should've been more experimental, pushing the envelope on what one might expect from healer DPS and see how it lands. That doesn't mean every healer job needs to play that way.

[Maximilian_Staufen]

What is there to heal? Healers want to heal more, there's just not enough incoming damage to force that when tanks can heal the party by themselves, i.e. Shake it Off by War. So, what are you doing then? Standing there doing nothing while they carry you? You're basically confirming the idea that healers are useless in any content. Healers aren't needed, that's the reality of it, and you might be there just for the faster queues.

Yes that's my point, we need much more incoming damage, and not just on the tank.

[Saraide]

Honestly I don't need a more complex rotation, that's not the issue to me. It makes no difference to me if I have to press 1-1-1 or 1-2-3 except that the latter wastes more hotbar space. Instead I want the devs to give me more reasons to heal. More unavoidable incoming damage ESPECIALLY in casual content. More reason for me to stay vigilant and keep my group healthy. I want to have a reason to use GCDs on heals, I don't want to feel comfortable with my whole party at near death for huge chunks of an encounter and I ESPECIALLY don't want to be able to solve all casual content just with oGCD weaving.

I play healers to heal, not to DPS.

I dont think anyone wants a standard melee combo on healers.

[Sacae]

I know there are players who like the current state of healers. Their opinion as important as players who dislike the current state. You just barely see them in here, maybe they're scared to post? But then again, you have people who laugh their butts off and ignore every based opinion as well.

In my opinion, healers are fun to an extend. My best example is Thaleia. It is such an easy 24man raid, with very trivial and easy telegraphed mechanics. Since battle designs tend to be very static, you simply memorize mechanics after some time. This is where healing gets simply boring. Everyone starts to survive without my heals.

So healers job is to heal tank busters (which dont hurt must of the time anyway) and pop an OGCD's for a raidwide aoe. And during the remaining fight you're spamming your 1-1-1 rotation. And honestly, I'm one of those who use Assize, Earthly Star, Macrocosmos and Pneuma for additional DPS. The heal is just a bonus.

Thalia actually had my favorite moment as a healer in this expansion. My first run had everyone quickly burn down all the adds before Thailak, and 2/3 of the alliance died to the adds exploding. Having to recover from that was a blast. More add diversity like that would go a long way.

[Rehayem]

Yes that's my point, we need much more incoming damage, and not just on the tank.

Yes, I'd love to see that. Sorry if my previous comment seemed rough, I suppose I'm just tired seeing all these non-healer curebot trolls come in here and say it's all fine as it is now.