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  1. #1121
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    Kekira's Avatar
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    Kekira Mizuka
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    Halicarnassus
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    Summoner Lv 96
    Technically WAR stole DRK's healing since Abyssal Season used to work exactly like BW.
    (9)

  2. #1122
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    AnnRam's Avatar
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    Mint Goh
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Rofl

    People don't have a clue about they are complaining about. Isn't about the healers not being necessary it's just Tanks are to OP.
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  3. #1123
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    AnotherPerson's Avatar
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    Cain Andleft
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    Malboro
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AnnRam View Post
    Rofl

    People don't have a clue about they are complaining about. Isn't about the healers not being necessary it's just Tanks are to OP.
    All that does is just revert healers to the initial Shadowbringers iteration.
    No, the healer problem goes far deeper than that - feedback for that topic which also get equally ignored.
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  4. #1124
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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by zwmel View Post
    I don't see how any player could be qualified to complain so much about this.
    There may be some potential for tweaking the skill set of the job
    But before that, the response here is insipid and childish.
    If you are of an age where you are able to pay your bills every month and enjoy the game.
    We should all have tried to be more constructive in our feedback.
    You should be a little ashamed that your actions are being talked about on the internet in this way.
    Instead of talking about the guilty forms of complaining and strikes
    Please consider starting a movement by proposing a great alternative.
    As others have mentioned, we've given feedback, plenty of times, for several years. The issue is, the place the devs look for feedback, and the place we're told to give feedback (the official forums, and we put it in the Healer section because that makes sense, right?), are two different places entirely. Either they're reading our feedback and throwing it out for some reason, we're being told to leave feedback in the wrong place, or they're just not getting the feedback passed along, either way, we've tried every possible form of feedback. Up to, and including, doing a whole design sheet for the jobs ourselves, with potencies and cooldowns and resource costs listed. Entire 'Job Guide' kind of posts, just on the off chance they see it, and decide 'well we should do something but we want to put the traditional SE amount of effort into the Healers (zero) so let's just copy this, saves us having to do the maths'
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  5. #1125
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    xbahax92's Avatar
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    Keiji Zaika
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    Odin
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AnnRam View Post
    Rofl

    People don't have a clue about they are complaining about. Isn't about the healers not being necessary it's just Tanks are to OP.
    More like you didnt give a single shit to read previous posts and good reasons, jumped on the last page, saw the tank discussion which happened out of spite and then made your own opinion about something, even though it has been mentioned quite plenty of times.

    Rofl
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    Last edited by xbahax92; 06-12-2024 at 02:00 PM.

  6. #1126
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    As others have mentioned, we've given feedback, plenty of times, for several years. The issue is, the place the devs look for feedback, and the place we're told to give feedback (the official forums, and we put it in the Healer section because that makes sense, right?), are two different places entirely. Either they're reading our feedback and throwing it out for some reason, we're being told to leave feedback in the wrong place, or they're just not getting the feedback passed along, either way, we've tried every possible form of feedback. Up to, and including, doing a whole design sheet for the jobs ourselves, with potencies and cooldowns and resource costs listed. Entire 'Job Guide' kind of posts, just on the off chance they see it, and decide 'well we should do something but we want to put the traditional SE amount of effort into the Healers (zero) so let's just copy this, saves us having to do the maths'
    It's wild that people assume things like we haven't been giving feedback respectfully for 6 years since ShB.

    But I guess we've usually been keeping to ourselves in the healer forums and it only started leaking out into general discussion in EW.
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  7. #1127
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    grinkdaboy's Avatar
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    Viktor Fontaine
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    Balmung
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by rawker View Post
    Such fragile ego for a job that wields a big axe.
    thats why this thread was made right? good to see healers knocked down a peg or two, healer and tank players tend to have enormous egos
    (0)

  8. #1128
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    KisaiTenshi's Avatar
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    Kisa Kisa
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    Excalibur
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Initially, I was concerned about stressing healers, as a tank. But then I thought about it for a few seconds.

    Why would someone play a healer if they don't want to heal?
    Because people "Green DPS" so they get fast queues rather than to actually heal. Using self-heal as a tank is basically telling the healer they aren't doing their job.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Why would someone play a healer not expecting stress?

    If they weren't ready for that, wouldn't they pick a DPS? (they could pick a tank but almost every new player seems to have anxiety with tanking)

    And also my experience, as a tank, is that no sprout healer has struggled to heal my big pulls prior to us having these execessive tank heals.

    And big pulls aren't even required - that's why single pulls exist, for people who want low stress.
    Big, wall-to-wall pulls are annoying when the tank does not telegraph they are going to do that. Especially for people who just picked up conjurer, and get blindsided in sastasha with a tank who pulls the entire floor and then runs off.
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  9. #1129
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    ty_taurus's Avatar
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    Noah Orih
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    The biggest mystery to me is why the people who disagree with the thread topic are like 90% rude and arrogant about it. Where's all the hostility coming from? Did someone draw a pentagram out of Stanley cups or something? It's like a Karen convention keeps marching through.
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    Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer. Please change this for 8.0. Make Sage fast, exciting, and aggressive. It should feel like a healer that plays like a DPS. Empower the aspects of Sage's unique healing mechanics: Kardia and Eukrasia to give its healing playstyle more identity.

  10. #1130
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    Because people "Green DPS" so they get fast queues rather than to actually heal. Using self-heal as a tank is basically telling the healer they aren't doing their job.




    Big, wall-to-wall pulls are annoying when the tank does not telegraph they are going to do that. Especially for people who just picked up conjurer, and get blindsided in sastasha with a tank who pulls the entire floor and then runs off.
    Yes pressing bloodwhetting is definitely the tank silently protesting the healer isn’t healing and not literally the first button they press deleting the need to heal in the first place
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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