#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Kacho_Nacho]

Damn, 4 days since the last reply? Either SE announced that the Healer role will be getting massive changes that fix all the problems it has had for the past 5 years (and I missed said announcement), or M6S adds were so rough that everyone's now convinced that 'actually this is what the role needed all along, Healing gameplay is fun again!' (which doesn't really help with how unengaging it is to do UnderSleep in the EX roulette on a Healer)

Being a casual player, I feel that I can't contribute much to the thread which hasn't already been stated before.

Healers are broken. Their gameplay revolves around pushing one button repeatedly. Their healing abilities and spells are redundant which exist mainly to fill our action bars. They could easily be trimmed to a handful.

In addition, tanks and damage dealers have gained so many buffs to their self sustain that healers often have little to heal. Not to mention that Square Enix is fixated on designing content focused on how well you can make a character dance through the mechanics which makes the GCD abilities of healers almost useless.

It all needs fixed and all we are getting is silence. It's not looking good for healers.

[Ellona_Andrivari]

Being a casual player, I feel that I can't contribute much to the thread which hasn't already been stated before.

Healers are broken. Their gameplay revolves around pushing one button repeatedly. Their healing abilities and spells are redundant which exist mainly to fill our action bars. They could easily be trimmed to a handful.

In addition, tanks and damage dealers have gained so many buffs to their self sustain that healers often have little to heal. Not to mention that Square Enix is fixated on designing content focused on how well you can make a character dance through the mechanics which makes the GCD abilities of healers almost useless.

It all needs fixed and all we are getting is silence. It's not looking good for healers.

I am super curious what you think can be trimmed from what class. Elaborate on this for me would you? What changes if tomorrow you woke up and you were put in charge of a rework for the entire healer cadre?

[Supersnow845]

I am super curious what you think can be trimmed from what class. Elaborate on this for me would you? What changes if tomorrow you woke up and you were put in charge of a rework for the entire healer cadre?

oGCD bloat primarily. There is too many skills that simply do the same thing removing choice and making GCD healing near redundant, like off the top of my head

WHM
-tetra
-bension or aquaveil just combine them
-medica 1

SCH
-blessing
-protraction (just bake it into recitation)
-indom
-seraphism

SGE
-ixochole
-Pepsis
-philosophia or physis (just combine these two into one pankardia with a 1 minute CD)
-soteria


AST
-celestial intersection
-exaltation
-celestial opposition
-lady of crowns


A few others may have slightly different skill lists but the healers are just overflowing with bloat

[Miohazuki]

Easy solution is to delete healer role and give one more tank slot in content

[Miohazuki]

almost 1100 page and SQE don't care i think people just got bored.

You must be new here .they only read japanese part of forum for feedback and stuff

[klu]

I don't see a need to rehash

And yet, ForsakenRoe DOES see a need to rehash.

People get assy with me for responding to their threads, when we get posts that essentially boil down to "this thread hasn't been bumped for four days, and that rustles my jimmies".

Endless, circular discussion and a thread that people have said all that they could think of to say and more, and more and more, and more.

And yet, if it's not on the front page, someone will strain hard to plop out a reason to bump it again.

It's annoying.

[Supersnow845]

And yet, ForsakenRoe DOES see a need to rehash.

People get assy with me for responding to their threads, when we get posts that essentially boil down to "this thread hasn't been bumped for four days, and that rustles my jimmies".

Endless, circular discussion and a thread that people have said all that they could think of to say and more, and more and more, and more.

And yet, if it's not on the front page, someone will strain hard to plop out a reason to bump it again.

It's annoying.

I mean isn’t that the way square enix wants us to treat the forums. Giant megathreads of people posting random thoughts about a topic that overrides all other threads. Like when was the last time you saw a dedicated healer thread that wasn’t just discussed in here. If anything by the way JP likes their forums organised we are being the least omnipresent role forum of all since all our criticism goes here so they can more easily ignore one thread than ignore 15

[klu]

You're not wrong. It's clear from the forums general vibe that while they can tell an entertaining story, the devs seriously do not know and do not care to know how to balance the healers.

But that's really no different from every MMO for the last 25 years. There is always some voice loudly insisting that their specific niche of the game is so woefully underdeveloped that the people in charge of that aspect must have all been recruited from a Pizza Hutt dumpster raiding party.

And that 25 year thing, that's important for the context. Honestly.

We have been having these same, repetitive discussions for twenty *years* across enough electronic landscape to stretch to the moon, and yet some people really don't get tired of going back in for another whiff of that stale air.

I'm not trying to say discussions shouldn't happen, but my god man. Read the room. Drop your thought and let it be. If one thousand page megathread or a thousand three comment "I'm special too" threads on a subject are all being soundly ignored (in your opinion) then continuing to whine into a vacuum with no audience just makes you look stupid.

And you're not stupid, right?

[Qyoon]

Easy solution is to delete healer role and give one more tank slot in content

Concidering the way the game is going this is actually the best solution.
Turn all healers into DPS with a proper gameplay.
Give everybody selfsustain by adding passive heals to some combos last hit.
Et voila problem solved, they don't like healers anyway.

[ForsakenRoe]

I don't see a need to rehash what has been discussed for years already.
The only recent thing that changed is their brand new shiny encounter design, and that hasn't fixed a single thing wrong with the healer role, that's all there is to it.

Yes, so personally, I think the worst thing that could happen is that the pressure lets up, because then SE might get the (very wrong) impression that 'the change to encounter design completely solved whatever those pesky healers were complaining about'

Drop your thought and let it be.

And you're not stupid, right?

My thought is 'Healer role needs adjustments, and it still hasnt got them'. Also, I've been known to be kinda stupid at times so that one won't work on me either

I am super curious what you think can be trimmed from what class. Elaborate on this for me would you? What changes if tomorrow you woke up and you were put in charge of a rework for the entire healer cadre?

Oh, boy! Another opportunity to shamelessly link to 'what I'd do to fix the Healers'!

Not all that much needs to be 'trimmed' IMO. I'm not big into the whole 'completely overhaul everything' angle, I'd rather keep a fair amount of what we have already and just adjust functionalities when/where required. That way, we'd be saving devtime on things like making new VFX. It would also preserve a lot of 'familiarity', so someone who logs in post-changes to their WHM would still recognize their job, the WHM would still have Medica3, Holy, Glare, Lilies, etc. And having that 'core' of the job staying unchanged gives the player something familiar to fall back on, should they need it, while experimenting with the new additions. For example, if SGE were adjusted as in that thread, a player would try using the new Kardia interactions to handle healing requirements. If they start to struggle, or misplay slightly, they're not completely doomed to a wipe, because they can fall back on familiar tools like Ixochole/Druochole, or Diagnosis/Prognosis (which would cost 0 MP, so they're even more reliable as a safety net)

We can also get adjustments/improvements to the role, using very few 'new buttons'. Like, the WHM idea in there, could be implemented with zero new hotbar spaces required. Merge Cure1 into Cure2, merge Medica1 into Medica2 (and then into Medica3), and those two new hotbar slots can then be used on adding the main new additions to the job: a 15s CD attack, and a gauge spender AOE heal (that has its own 'Misery' style damage refund system). The only other changes are two Lily-Spender Barrier moves (Stoneskin/AOE Stoneskin) that aren't really 'necessary' for the design to work/be an improvement over what we have (they'd sure be nice to have though), or adjustments to existing buttons that would not impact button count (eg, adding lower level versions of Plenary (Protect) or Temperance (Divine Seal), or the adjustment to the Aero/Dia DOT duration)

IIRC, including the Barrier moves on WHM/AST, it'd be +2 slots for WHM, +1 for SCH, -1 (yes really) for AST, and +3 for SGE (but that could be reduced to +2 by having Druochole upgrade to Taurochole, I doubt having a 1s CD on Taurochole is going to break anything balancewise). If push came to shove, I could get them all to 0 new buttons or lower. For example, SCH can be reduced to +-0 by removing 'Summon Faerie' as a button and having it be automatically summoned, akin to Gatherer Jobs having Sneak auto-enabled. WHM can just... not have the Barrier Lily spenders. SGE would be the tough one, but maybe there's a way to improve the MP economy of the job to the point that we can delete Lucid Dreaming, for example