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  1. #10951
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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    Had an idea earlier, for a new trait for Healers (all of them, or just WHM specifically to give it a niche of its own):

    Back From The Brink

    Upon casting {Raise/Resurrection/Ascend/Egeiro} on an ally, ally is granted the status 'At The Brink' for 10s.
    If the ally's HP is restored to Max before 'At The Brink' ends, 'At The Brink' is transformed into 'Back From The Brink'.

    Back From The Brink effect: Upon expiration of this status, Weakness/Brink of Death's duration is halved.

    In other words, if you do your job as a Healer, and quickly heal the player you just raised (instead of saying 'eh, OGCD regens will take care of it in time for the next raidwide'), the Weakness timer is reduced. It starts at 100s, subtract 10 for the 'did you heal in time' check, so that leaves 90s. Half of that, results in a Weakness/Brink timer of just 45s (plus having 10s of Weakness/Brink DURING the heal check), allowing the Healer player to make runs a lot more recoverable.

    Numbers adjustable as required (eg maybe filling the HP to max in time reduces the duration by 30s instead of 45)
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  2. #10952
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    Kacho_Nacho's Avatar
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 98
    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Had an idea earlier, for a new trait for Healers (all of them, or just WHM specifically to give it a niche of its own):

    Back From The Brink

    Upon casting {Raise/Resurrection/Ascend/Egeiro} on an ally, ally is granted the status 'At The Brink' for 10s.
    If the ally's HP is restored to Max before 'At The Brink' ends, 'At The Brink' is transformed into 'Back From The Brink'.

    Back From The Brink effect: Upon expiration of this status, Weakness/Brink of Death's duration is halved.

    In other words, if you do your job as a Healer, and quickly heal the player you just raised (instead of saying 'eh, OGCD regens will take care of it in time for the next raidwide'), the Weakness timer is reduced. It starts at 100s, subtract 10 for the 'did you heal in time' check, so that leaves 90s. Half of that, results in a Weakness/Brink timer of just 45s (plus having 10s of Weakness/Brink DURING the heal check), allowing the Healer player to make runs a lot more recoverable.

    Numbers adjustable as required (eg maybe filling the HP to max in time reduces the duration by 30s instead of 45)
    Back From The Brink definitely should be in the game. The ability to reduce the rezz weakness timer would be a boon to all the healers, while at the same time, making the resurrection abilities of other jobs less valuable.
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  3. #10953
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    Qyoon's Avatar
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    Qi Yun
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    Ragnarok
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    Sage Lv 100
    This is actually fun too see SQE saying they care about the community feedback while ignoring a 1000+ page thread for months.
    Here is a proof the whole listening the community thing is just PR, maybe it will open some people eyes.
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  4. #10954
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Qyoon View Post
    This is actually fun too see SQE saying they care about the community feedback while ignoring a 1000+ page thread for months.
    Here is a proof the whole listening the community thing is just PR, maybe it will open some people eyes.
    Unfortunately the people who think square listens to feedback are the ones who laugh about and downvote an actual attempt to do something about healers

    You can see them all throughout these pages
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  5. #10955
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    Qyoon's Avatar
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    Qi Yun
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    Ragnarok
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    Sage Lv 100
    The only way to get a company to listen to it's clients is to stop giving said company money.
    The rest is just hope and cope.
    Healers are complaining since years nothing changed while SQE worked on other jobs changes.
    This proves, for the dev team, it's fine as it is and can wait 2 more years until 8.0.
    While this could go even worse, no promises have been made about making this role interesting.

    To be honest the game might actually be better without healers at all, relying only on mecanics.
    And i am saying that while Sage if the only job i enjoy in FF XIV.
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  6. #10956
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    Rithy255's Avatar
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    Rithris Amaya
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    Twintania
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Qyoon View Post
    The only way to get a company to listen to it's clients is to stop giving said company money.
    The rest is just hope and cope.
    Healers are complaining since years nothing changed while SQE worked on other jobs changes.
    This proves, for the dev team, it's fine as it is and can wait 2 more years until 8.0.
    While this could go even worse, no promises have been made about making this role interesting.

    To be honest the game might actually be better without healers at all, relying only on mecanics.
    And i am saying that while Sage if the only job i enjoy in FF XIV.
    I mean by going off track record Your lucky SE hasn't "worked" on healers for a long while unlike other jobs (likely because they see the bland/boring state of healers as perfect), If they ever do decide to look into healer design it will almost certainly be somehow a downgrade from current design lol. I can't think of a single good job rework apart from EW monk which they decided to ruin in DT.

    Best thing to do is either accept that it's not going to get better for any role (because it's not) and enjoy DDR gameplay or find something you enjoy more.
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  7. #10957
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    Qyoon's Avatar
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    Qi Yun
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    Ragnarok
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    Sage Lv 100
    I came for the RP first, i always enjoyed PVE, so i cleared some EX and Savage, but if it was for the gameplay alone i would be gone already lol.
    Not even talking about how poor the game does on a technical aspect and the whole ergonomic of the UI itself, but it's another debate.

    The simple fact a thread like this one can exist, keep growing and even make it to website news without any response proves SQE don't care.
    If you legitimately complain about something and the response takes years to come, the person answering does not have any respect for you.
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  8. #10958
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    Nero-Voidstails's Avatar
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    Nero Tsukimi
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    Zalera
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    please look forward to 8.0 where healers will be deleted.

    that's how it feel now. I am sure they will give even more healing to other job like if they do improve enough before 8.0 don't expect any change
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  9. #10959
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Frankly if they’re deleting healer I’d call that a win regardless. At least that tells us that these devs are pursuing their ‘vision’ whatever that is with confidence. Go ahead and do it.

    What we have today is ‘wishy washy’ design that is made not for this game & probably only to appeal in nothing but ‘title’ of being the Duty Finder popper.
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  10. #10960
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    Maltothoris's Avatar
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Also got love how much mit we have now. So much thsr something like howling eight has been severely neutered to where only the 1 and 5th pose any threat to the party and the fifth one would likely be kitchen sinked by all the party mits as well.
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