#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

If WARs are your only problem why do you generalize so much?

Exactly. Don’t over generalize those ‘healers who wants to power trip’.

Sorry but Tank are far from being the only problem, all the Melee DPS have a serious Self-heal + a sustain + debuff, R Physical have a serious Self-Heal.
Had tp that that some have a group heal/regen, mit and personal shield/mit...

The probleme is more profound.

Oh I’m aware of that & had been parroting myself (as many others) several times over by now regarding that, both here & in the subforum: healer issues isn’t single-faceted. It’s a boatload of issues that are often ‘okay/tolerable’ when present on their own, but the more adds up, the more unbearable they get.

After years of role neglect, here we are.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Not sure if this was sparked by talking about other roles slacking on mits or not, but I don't think mitigation should only be a thing healers have, but I do think it's spread a bit too thin right now. Personally I'd think it'd best be shared between tanks, healers, and support dps (currently physranged and RDM/SMN) at most

Every job should have its own mitigation ability. After all, everyone needs to know how to fight in our violent world.

Knowing how to block an attack should be one of the first things a character should learn. Whether or not a character knows how to mitigate an attack on another character should be related to the fantasy of their job.

[miraidensetsu]

I said it’s a waste of a party slot because it doesn’t have any sort of niche

Here you're being straight up toxic.

or advantage the other healers don’t do better in the last 7 years,

At least on damage, WHM does it better than SCH and SGE, according to "that" website. And even AST needs to count the damage given to other players via buffs for its numbers be higher than WHM. AST is dead last if those buffs is not counted.

not because I’m being personally vindictive against WHM,

Its because you don't know anything about WHM.

it’s not toxic to say that WHM is in a position where it feels like a waste because every other healer is just out and out better than it.

And that's on you. Sorry. But that's a common failure that META sheeps like to do. Specially those who likes to be toxic.

Being easy isn’t a niche because SGE also fits into that and isn’t completely devoid of a use case. This is nothing to do with my personal experiences playing on WHM which I can sum up with it being weak, this isn’t me not knowing how to play WHM, this is WHM not having a gameplay niche the game takes advantage of

Requiring less planning is pretty valuable to chaotic situations. Such as PUGs, blind prog, trap parties, etc.

You don’t need to preach to me about the nature of the strike, scroll back to page 1, I have a post on there, I’ve been here since day 1, I know the state of healers in the wider game, I’m discussing WHM’s position relative to the other healers, against the wider jobs the only healer that still retains a useful niche is SCH because of its mitigation but SCH having a chokehold on the meta is nothing new

I think I need to remember you that this is a healer strike, not WHM strike. And I think I need to remember you that all healers are more or less homogenized, without many differences.

Do you think you're useless against a raidwide that takes ~100% HP when playing WHM, even knowing that there will be that attack? While you cry on your uselessness, I just save Temperance and Divine Caress for that. And after that raidwide, I can just PI > Rapture > Medica 3 to top off party. As WHM.

I could use more options to do raid-wide mitigation? Definitely yes. The options I do have is too few? Yes. I'm left out praying someone else would mitigate for me at some raidwide I know that it'll come? Hell NO. But I'll have to plan carefully.

FYI:

Temperance - Increases healing magic potency by 20%, while reducing damage taken by self and all party members within a radius of 50 yalms by 10%.

Divine Caress - Creates a barrier around self and all party members near you that absorbs damage equivalent to a heal of 400 potency.

There. An AoE shield AND a mit on WHM. It's not good, CD is way too big (and shield diration is too low). But you can actually save a run where there is a raid-wide with 100% damage.

[Supersnow845]

^if you are sitting on temperance to save an unexpected situation caused by lack of mitigation I’m not sure you have any right to be telling me I don’t understand WHM given this problem arises specifically because once you burn temperance you have literally nothing else. What are you gonna do against the raidwide that comes out when temperance is on CD which it likely will because of its long CD and the stupid wonky integration of divine caress

If you want to think I know nothing about WHM then sure go ahead, i don’t know what benefit you get out of going “please don’t change my bad class” but acting like everyone who points out it is bad just don’t understand how it plays won’t fix anything

(Also WHM is functionally last in damage and always has been, acting like AST needs its buffs to compete with they are a core component of their design doesn’t change the fact the damage meta has long been SCH/AST. But I wasn’t even talking about damage here anyway as healer damage is never the deciding factor. I’m talking about healing niches)

[Aravell]

But wait... I've not spoken about dragging everyone else down have I? Huh, that's strange, maybe that wasn't a thing in the first place? That makes more sense to me.

Here, I'll translate it:

We want the healer role to feel rewarding again > "You just want to lord it over the entire party so you can be the most important person"

We want the tank to work with the healer to survive rather than be able to indefinitely sustain without a healer > "You just want to ruin the fun and fantasy of tanks"

We want to be required for the party to survive because no healer clears show a big imbalance in a trinity game > "You just want to drag everyone else down and take agency away from them"

That should sum up what the general community outside of the healer role thinks.

[Gurgeh]

All I know is after clearing Ex (and Progging P1 Chaotic role it was still friendly) healers continue have my admiration. Even the ones in red.
Seriously, new healers are really brave to go into Ex.
As for the poor healer getting btchd at for not esunaing the dooms in chaotic P1.
Healing shield be free license to use any language you please. Exempt from moderator consideration.
#appreciateYourHealers #dontTellTheOtherTanks

[Tigore]

We've probably got so much little things adding up to the healers not needing to heal very much that we probably need the newer encounter damage to increase to "fix" the issue first. Forsaken Roe's Aetherblight idea does look good as one to add. It also gives us a reason to consider Esuna and could open up an AoE Esunaga niche for a healer too. More than likely, SGE could probably get that one.

As for the WHM discussion, I do agree they have a niche for immediate and strong reactive heals. Although I do believe Supersnow with him essentially saying this niche isn't being used enough for current encounters. Another reason to consider that Aetherblight idea as well as more of those 1HP White Holes?

If Temperance isn't enough mitigation, the Protect and Stoneskin spells could be considered for more Afflatus heals as Forsaken Roe suggested too. It could also be possible to consider if a WHM cooldown could use a SCH Protraction-like effect. That way, it feeds into the big heals fantasy while also allowing the raid to survive the major damaging AoE mech.

I believe Snow also mentioned an HP sharing cooldown as another secondary cooldown for a healer to possibly get (SGE maybe?). I can confirm this works well for Shamans in WoW and this makes the off tank HP more useful.

[Azurarok]

Every job should have its own mitigation ability. After all, everyone needs to know how to fight in our violent world.

Knowing how to block an attack should be one of the first things a character should learn. Whether or not a character knows how to mitigate an attack on another character should be related to the fantasy of their job.

I meant party-wide mits, probably should've specified. I think personal mits are pretty necessary (looking at you VPR), though how strong they should be is another thing

[Supersnow845]

I meant party-wide mits, probably should've specified. I think personal mits are pretty necessary (looking at you VPR), though how strong they should be is another thing

To be fair that’s arguably the entire problem, every class in the game has at least 1 mitigation so in a world where healers are more seen as mitigators than actual healers one of the healers having the least mitigation of any class in the game ends up being problematic for balance

[Azurarok]

To be fair that’s arguably the entire problem, every class in the game has at least 1 mitigation so in a world where healers are more seen as mitigators than actual healers one of the healers having the least mitigation of any class in the game ends up being problematic for balance

I wasn't implying WHM having the least mitigation is fine though? I just still think at least a self mitigation is necessary to deal with clutch situations.

Though I think it all really stems from there not being enough things to manage since they've largely removed MP/TP and aggro management. All the jobs are fighting over who gets to have dps and who gets to have mitigation because that's kind of all there's left.