#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

IMHO that's just a smokescreen. Something to get players off their back before they continue to remove something else yet again. What would that be I wonder? :P

[GartredZW]

8.0 job identity isnt even real

It's a little microcosm of why I think they're so silent about the Healer Strike.
Yoshi'p merely hinted that they'll try to focus on Job identity in 8.0, and suddenly it gets Telephone-Game'd into people thinking we're getting an every job full rework in 8.0 where they'll consult with fans across the world to make every single class perfect.
I think they'd rather just keep things close to the chest and figure out a way to help us without setting any expectations. Just have it come out of nowhere so our first impression is just what we get. If they tell us "we're working to make healers more interesting in 8.0" then you'll start to have all sorts of brainstorming on everything they do. To the point that anything less than everyone's wildest dreams is just a disappointment.

[Kacho_Nacho]

I feel like the fact that the player base happily blames other parts of the community for any faults they see with the game means that SE can eternally hide behind their shield of "Players don't know what they want and can't agree on anything, that's why we can't change anything!"

Hey! I apologized!

/em sticks out tongue

I think if we're capable of presenting a united front of "We want changes for this thing because it's just badly designed, we don't care about the details, just change it", that would be much harder to ignore.

Unfortunately, trying to get the community to present a united front is effectively impossible (because people understandably put importance on different things, like some people want everything just balanced with 0% deviation with no regard to fun), so we're unlikely to see any changes until the dev team does their experiment in 8.0.

Yeah, trying to herd healers is like herding cats. We're a chaotic good bunch.

But, I feel, collectively, the healer community has done pretty well in conveying how unhappy we are with the current state of our jobs and roles in this expansion.

Yes, there have been trolls, some of them quite determined to derail our movement. But, if the mods ever got around to deleting those posts, you'd see we've been pretty united.

Yoshi has said there won't be any real changes until 8.0. So, I wasn't expecting a mid expansion overhaul of the white mage, scholar, astrologian, and sage jobs.

But, it would still be nice to have #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE acknowledged. Even a statement along the lines of "We've heard you and your concerns will be taken into account when we make changes to the jobs in the next expansion," would somewhat allay our fears healers will remain in their current state or worse.

[Lorika]

But, it would still be nice to have #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE acknowledged. Even a statement along the lines of "We've heard you and your concerns will be taken into account when we make changes to the jobs in the next expansion," would somewhat allay our fears healers will remain in their current state or worse.

This is the thing : they won't aknowledge the healer state because, it would be the same as aknowledging that their beloved tank and some of their beloverd DPS are too OP and need to be nerfed. And also, that they used Powercreep to try to hide thoses facts (but,too bad for them : It didn't work for this Add-on).

And seriously, who still believe in the 8.0 at this point?

I wouldn't be surprised if the healer role disapear and the current healer become either DPS or Support job.

[Kacho_Nacho]

*snippity snip*

And seriously, who still believe in the 8.0 at this point?

I wouldn't be surprised if the healer role disappear and the current healer become either DPS or Support job.

I remain optimistic about 8.0. It's far too early to discount it. We'll have to wait until the big reveal of the next expansion before we truly know if it has been all a smokescreen or not.

I doubt they'll erase the healer role completely.

[Alice_Rivers]

I wouldn't be surprised if the healer role disapear and the current healer become either DPS or Support job.

This is more or less what I expect of them, it feels like when a government wants to get rid of something people like - They make it terrible, people complain that they made it terrible, "we understand that this is terrible so we're getting rid of it".

[Lorika]

I doubt they'll erase the healer role completely.

When you look at the 7.0 Monk and at the Picto (Earth Reply and Starry Muse), it smell like the GW2 Route (Add War Shake It off and some of the dancer skill, and it smell the GW2 route even more)

[HyperiusUltima]

We'll have to wait until the big reveal of the next expansion

Ah yes - wait and see how they're going to keep healers in the status quo and not change a damn thing; or break SCH(Stormblood), or make AST a monster like has been for the past 6 years every expac, or keep WHM boring and heavily uninteresting.

While I haven't been as vocal, I have been watching - and I'm in the boat along with a few others that nothing will change so long as they never listen. The 'wait and see' crowd is already smokescreen for 'we're going to give you more heal bloat!' next expansion since that's what they've always done - even though they've tacked on a button to the 2m window here. And when the Healer community figures out that they've been had again after waiting and seeing, they'll get angry again while SE doesn't listen for the next 10 years.

6 years of waiting and seeing, only to see that the waiting is basically SE stonewalling us in every aspect while Tanks and DPS are the only jobs that matter.

[ForsakenRoe]

Ah yes - wait and see how they're going to keep healers in the status quo and not change a damn thing; or break SCH(Stormblood), or make AST a monster like has been for the past 6 years every expac, or keep WHM boring and heavily uninteresting.

While I haven't been as vocal, I have been watching - and I'm in the boat along with a few others that nothing will change so long as they never listen. The 'wait and see' crowd is already smokescreen for 'we're going to give you more heal bloat!' next expansion since that's what they've always done - even though they've tacked on a button to the 2m window here. And when the Healer community figures out that they've been had again after waiting and seeing, they'll get angry again while SE doesn't listen for the next 10 years.

6 years of waiting and seeing, only to see that the waiting is basically SE stonewalling us in every aspect while Tanks and DPS are the only jobs that matter.

The part of this that I disagree with, is 'the next 10 years'. I can't see the game living that long, if SE continues to ignore Healer design issues as they have for several years now. We're already reaching a critical juncture, where content creators are making videos outright bashing the current Healing paradigm in the game, and threads on here, Reddit etc. are popping up more frequently, from veterans saying 'I'm tired of pressing 1' to new players asking 'is there more to healing at higher level than just pressing 1?'

If SE doesn't change course, and soon, then the role's population will wither to the point where it needs an ARR style 'big promotional event' to say 'hey we've completely revamped it please give it another go'. A Role Reborn, as it were. But maybe that's the real reason they're adding all the Duty Support, and Trusts, so that the population problem of Healers will remain obfuscated, and they can keep Healers designed as... whatever you'd call this.

Both sides are equally right here: we have to keep expressing our dissatisfaction (if we are dissatisfied, players who enjoy current healers should say so too) to show SE that (if we're the dissatisfied ones) something needs to change, but also, it's basically going to be a waiting game of 'does 8.0 actually take any of what we've been saying to heart'. And if it doesn't, I expect there will be a sudden dip in Healer population, roughly around the same time as the Media Tour Embargo being lifted, where players either move Role to Tank or DPS, or outright quit the game

Sticking heads in the sand is not a solution, SE

[Kacho_Nacho]

When you look at the 7.0 Monk and at the Picto (Earth Reply and Starry Muse), it smell like the GW2 Route (Add War Shake It off and some of the dancer skill, and it smell the GW2 route even more)

There is no doubt that Guild Wars 2 influenced the job developers at Creative Studio III. However, I don't see Square Enix throwing out the trinity. It'd be too much work to rebuild every job in the game to make it happen. It'd be much easier to leave the role in the game and fix healers.

Ah yes - wait and see how they're going to keep healers in the status quo and not change a damn thing; or break SCH(Stormblood), or make AST a monster like has been for the past 6 years every expac, or keep WHM boring and heavily uninteresting.

While I haven't been as vocal, I have been watching - and I'm in the boat along with a few others that nothing will change so long as they never listen. The 'wait and see' crowd is already smokescreen for 'we're going to give you more heal bloat!' next expansion since that's what they've always done - even though they've tacked on a button to the 2m window here. And when the Healer community figures out that they've been had again after waiting and seeing, they'll get angry again while SE doesn't listen for the next 10 years.

6 years of waiting and seeing, only to see that the waiting is basically SE stonewalling us in every aspect while Tanks and DPS are the only jobs that matter.

You misunderstand. I was not saying "wait and see." I'm saying "wait until they give us some inkling what they're going to do." We cannot provide any feedback on something on which we're completely in the dark.

The part of this that I disagree with, is 'the next 10 years'. I can't see the game living that long, if SE continues to ignore Healer design issues as they have for several years now. We're already reaching a critical juncture, where content creators are making videos outright bashing the current Healing paradigm in the game, and threads on here, Reddit etc. are popping up more frequently, from veterans saying 'I'm tired of pressing 1' to new players asking 'is there more to healing at higher level than just pressing 1?'

If SE doesn't change course, and soon, then the role's population will wither to the point where it needs an ARR style 'big promotional event' to say 'hey we've completely revamped it please give it another go'. A Role Reborn, as it were. But maybe that's the real reason they're adding all the Duty Support, and Trusts, so that the population problem of Healers will remain obfuscated, and they can keep Healers designed as... whatever you'd call this.

Both sides are equally right here: we have to keep expressing our dissatisfaction (if we are dissatisfied, players who enjoy current healers should say so too) to show SE that (if we're the dissatisfied ones) something needs to change, but also, it's basically going to be a waiting game of 'does 8.0 actually take any of what we've been saying to heart'. And if it doesn't, I expect there will be a sudden dip in Healer population, roughly around the same time as the Media Tour Embargo being lifted, where players either move Role to Tank or DPS, or outright quit the game

Sticking heads in the sand is not a solution, SE

/em points up

This! A thousand times, this!

Ignoring us isn't going to make us go away, Square Enix. If you think this all will blow over, you are sadly mistaken. Your bottom line is at risk.