#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[SamLeens]

Not to mention that they never tested any of the changes, so SCH and AST launched broken.

How do you know that? and your feelings don't count as proof.

SCH got their main resource dump removed and they were just able to throw out obscene amounts of healing with no cost, which a lot of people thought was garbage design back then (until SGE launched with the exact same obscene amounts of healing for free, then suddenly people are somehow ok with it).

Thats called "moving on". Not everyone wants to stay in the past.

And them AST also launched severely underpowered and I believe they were also MP-negative on ShB launch. Not to mention the travesty that was 5.0 launch Sleeve Draw.

You should move on too. I mean, who cares about ShB when we're all in Dawntrail. Well, maybe you're still in ShB.. who knows.

They've shown that they're perfectly happy with massively changing jobs with little to no warning, they don't even seem to really care if it launches in a playable state.

Where? When? How do you know that? And let's not dwell on the past for a change, but talk about the present.

it all sounds so deliberately malicious. if se is the villain, i wonder why you keep playing the villain's game.

[Aravell]

it all sounds so deliberately malicious. if se is the villain, i wonder why you keep playing the villain's game.

Wow, so pointing out things that historically did happen is malicious now.

Ok, let's cancel history and not learn from the past!

[SamLeens]

Wow, so pointing out things that historically did happen is malicious now.

Ok, let's cancel history and not learn from the past!

So you can't provide any evidence for your statements and are now switching to the topic of history. That's an evasive maneuver that you can do, but it definitely reduces the credibility of the statements.
As a german, i can confirm that history is important. But it's not about living in the past or comparing every aspect with the past. The past should not be forgotten so that it doesn't repeat itself. Not forgetting and living in it or relating everything to it are two different things.

[Aravell]

So you can't provide any evidence for your statements and are now switching to the topic of history. That's an evasive maneuver that you can do, but it definitely reduces the credibility of the statements.
As a german, i can confirm that history is important. But it's not about living in the past or comparing every aspect with the past. The past should not be forgotten so that it doesn't repeat itself. Not forgetting and living in it or relating everything to it are two different things.

If you wanted evidence, you could very easily read the patch notes.

It's not my obligation to dig through patch notes for hours just to convince someone on the internet.

You want to dismiss me? Go ahead. You're not the one that needs to understand the design issues, SE is.

[Supersnow845]

How do you know that? and your feelings don't count as proof.


Thats called "moving on". Not everyone wants to stay in the past.


You should move on too. I mean, who cares about ShB when we're all in Dawntrail. Well, maybe you're still in ShB.. who knows.


Where? When? How do you know that? And let's not dwell on the past for a change, but talk about the present.

it all sounds so deliberately malicious. if se is the villain, i wonder why you keep playing the villain's game.

1) the fact that square buffed MP regen on aetherflow/energy drain and said it was because a lack of MP on SCH, same as giving MP to draw, they specifically said the mana economy of those two was broken and the jobs didn’t function because of it. they also changed old sleeve draw specifically because they said it didn’t work

2) not everyone wants the modern job design either but apparently we don’t get a choice

3) because these problems from ShB still haven’t been fixed

4) DT BLM is an example, the ShB healers are another, 4.2 WAR is another, 5.0 MCH, 7.0 MNK, it actually happens relatively often

[Aravell]

4) DT BLM is an example, the ShB healers are another, 4.2 WAR is another, 5.0 MCH, 7.0 MNK, it actually happens relatively often

Let's not forget selfish DPS SAM that launched doing less damage than support DPS NIN.

Also the ongoing lie of selfish DPS MCH.

[SamLeens]

1) the fact that square buffed MP regen on aetherflow/energy drain and said it was because a lack of MP on SCH, same as giving MP to draw, they specifically said the mana economy of those two was broken and the jobs didn’t function because of it. they also changed old sleeve draw specifically because they said it didn’t work

2) not everyone wants the modern job design either but apparently we don’t get a choice

3) because these problems from ShB still haven’t been fixed

4) DT BLM is an example, the ShB healers are another, 4.2 WAR is another, 5.0 MCH, 7.0 MNK, it actually happens relatively often

Hello Aravell. I didnt know you had more than one account. It's nice that you found more than just "history" to justify your statements.

1) that doesnt confirm that they "never tested any of the changes".
2) "until SGE launched with the exact same obscene amounts of healing for free, then suddenly people are somehow ok with it" that's the point i was trying to make, and that's still called "moving on" or "growing." You change your mind about a lot of things throughout your life. That's normal.
It's weird playing an MMO and knowing it's a long-lasting game that changes things, but then wanting to play old classes instead. It's a contradiction in terms.
3)No, according to your text that was in the past. I don't see that it's a current problem either.
4) This is a list without sources. Its just as valid as the text before.

[Aravell]

Hello Aravell. I didnt know you had more than one account. It's nice that you found more than just "history" to justify your statements.

You just lost all credibility the moment you stooped down to "Everyone who disagrees with me are alts of the same person".

How about you do your own research instead of hounding other people to do it for you, eh? It's not like you'll listen to other people anyway, since everyone who disagrees with you is the same person.

[SamLeens]

You just lost all credibility the moment you stooped down to "Everyone who disagrees with me are alts of the same person".

How about you do your own research instead of hounding other people to do it for you, eh? It's not like you'll listen to other people anyway, since everyone who disagrees with you is the same person.

are we on the same forum? i mean it's really funny. i'm talking to you and then someone else is giving me the answers i expected from you. so i named them "aravell". and i still find it funny that someone feels like they almost have to speak on your behalf because you didn't say anything.

The sad thing is that, in addition to the technical aspect, you are also accusing Square Enix employees of things that you can't even justify.
You just make claims without any basis and when asked for more information, you change the subject or look for another reason to end the conversation.

These are real, living people that you are talking nonsense about.

[Aravell]

are we on the same forum? i mean it's really funny. i'm talking to you and then someone else is giving me the answers i expected from you. so i named them "aravell". and i still find it funny that someone feels like they almost have to speak on your behalf because you didn't say anything.

The sad thing is that, in addition to the technical aspect, you are also accusing Square Enix employees of things that you can't even justify.
You just make claims without any basis and when asked for more information, you change the subject or look for another reason to end the conversation.

These are real, living people that you are talking nonsense about.

Real, living people that made mistakes. Mistakes which they admitted to. You would know this if you played the jobs when they were broken and if you read the patch notes.

Being human does not absolve someone of criticism. I also never said anything bad about the employees, I only said they're fine with releasing things in a broken state, which is a statement of fact, not an insult.

You should stop holding the dev team above criticism when you seem clearly ignorant of all the mistakes they've made and admitted to making.

That's why I brought up history btw, not to deflect or whatever you accused me of. The dev team has a clear history of making very bad changes with little thought about how it affects everything else, they've even apologised for some. Like how removing ED from SCH broke their resource generation and removing Hagakure broke SAM's loop. You can't seriously tell me those 2 changes were well thought out, considering thar they broke the job's gameplay loop.

Also, your little joke is unamusing, I didn't respond to you immediately because i have a life to live outside of the forum.