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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    and 90% of them have been shit. Haven't used Bloodbath so often as a DPS as I have this expansion just to survive unavoidable damage because these replacements couldn't heal their way thru a wet paper bag, much less a dungeon.
    I've been seeing quite a lot of healers who are so used to EW content that they just heal the party up really slowly and people occasionally just die to unavoidable damage because damage doesn't come out in 60s intervals like it did in EW anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I've been seeing quite a lot of healers who are so used to EW content that they just heal the party up really slowly and people occasionally just die to unavoidable damage because damage doesn't come out in 60s intervals like it did in EW anymore.
    I was stuck for 45 minutes in Skydeep Cenote, going thru 3 healers on the last boss because they couldn't stay alive.

    Party was a DRK, myself as a NIN, my friend on their BRD and a SCH/SGE/AST.
    The SCH died at the start of the last boss 3 times in a row before they just left, probably from embarrassment.
    The SGE just failed to heal at all during the stack mechanics. Complained about lack of mitigation, despite several times when Feint, Troubadour, etc being up. Never saw a Panhaima that's for damn sure so we just booted them after they became belligerent.
    The AST got into the dungeon and D/c'd never to return.

    My friend got fed up with it, left to requeue as his SCH and we got a replacement VPR and cleared it 1st try. He had to do leveling roulette again and I went healer to repay him but god, it was just an awful experience
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    Last edited by Silver-Strider; 07-28-2024 at 02:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    The SGE just failed to heal at all during the stack mechanics. Complained about lack of mitigation, despite several times when Feint, Troubadour, etc being up. Never saw a Panhaima that's for damn sure so we just booted them after they became beligerant.
    This part is just wild to me.

    How is a SGE complaining about lack of mitigation in a dungeon? When they have:

    > Kerachole
    > Holos
    > Panhaima
    > Zoe + E.Prognosis
    > Physis + E.Prognosis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    This part is just wild to me.

    How is a SGE complaining about lack of mitigation in a dungeon? When they have:

    > Kerachole
    > Holos
    > Panhaima
    > Zoe + E.Prognosis
    > Physis + E.Prognosis
    I wish I was joking but I have gotten so many awful healers this expansion that I've rearranged my hotbar just to keep any and all self heals/mitigation as easily accessible as possible on my DPS jobs. I don't trust them anymore that when I get a good one, I will always commend them without hesitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    This part is just wild to me.

    How is a SGE complaining about lack of mitigation in a dungeon? When they have:

    > Kerachole
    > Holos
    > Panhaima
    > Zoe + E.Prognosis
    > Physis + E.Prognosis
    Don't forget, for the tank or vuln stacking DPS, you've also got Taurochole, Haima, and Krasis boosted E.Diagnosis. Once you hit 100 you've got Philosophia boosted E.Prognosis as well.

    Had a Sage in Tender Valley earlier today that didn't even know what Kardia was. Had to explain it to them after the first boss and they just put it on themselves and stopped responding. I've never had such an easy time getting Living Dead to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    I was stuck for 45 minutes in Skydeep Cenote, going thru 3 healers on the last boss because they couldn't stay alive.

    Party was a DRK, myself as a NIN, my friend on their BRD and a SCH/SGE/AST.
    The SCH died at the start of the last boss 3 times in a row before they just left, probably from embarrassment.
    The SGE just failed to heal at all during the stack mechanics. Complained about lack of mitigation, despite several times when Feint, Troubadour, etc being up. Never saw a Panhaima that's for damn sure so we just booted them after they became belligerent.
    The AST got into the dungeon and D/c'd never to return.

    My friend got fed up with it, left to requeue as his SCH and we got a replacement VPR and cleared it 1st try. He had to do leveling roulette again and I went healer to repay him but god, it was just an awful experience
    Fun fact: that last boss stack up marker can easily be treated as 2nd tankbuster by having -only- the tank soaks all damage with 2-3 cooldowns and they'll be fine. This greatly conserves DPS' health bar when the situation calls for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    I was stuck for 45 minutes in Skydeep Cenote, going thru 3 healers on the last boss because they couldn't stay alive.

    Party was a DRK, myself as a NIN, my friend on their BRD and a SCH/SGE/AST.
    The SCH died at the start of the last boss 3 times in a row before they just left, probably from embarrassment.
    The SGE just failed to heal at all during the stack mechanics. Complained about lack of mitigation, despite several times when Feint, Troubadour, etc being up. Never saw a Panhaima that's for damn sure so we just booted them after they became belligerent.
    The AST got into the dungeon and D/c'd never to return.

    My friend got fed up with it, left to requeue as his SCH and we got a replacement VPR and cleared it 1st try. He had to do leveling roulette again and I went healer to repay him but god, it was just an awful experience
    Maybe he forgot to do sage job quests, its the only ability locked behind them

    Quote Originally Posted by Venarius View Post
    Healing didn't magically become "hard". The good healers either left or are playing other roles.
    Or spamming EW alliances, since its now most efficient way to level. If better players are doing that then the quality of those doing roulettes will naturally be lower.
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    Last edited by Somnolence; 07-28-2024 at 05:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    I was stuck for 45 minutes in Skydeep Cenote, going thru 3 healers on the last boss because they couldn't stay alive.
    If many people have troubles staying alive as specifially healers, then healer might need some improved survivability (health and/or mitigation). But it will more likely result in additional tank buffs.

    When all other players die, it's only fair that the tanks have enough dps/heals/etc they still finish the fights solo. /s
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