#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[CaptainLagbeard]

Offtanks don't tank, so its only natural tank jobs needs to have proper melee DPS gameplay loop.

Problem is, in 8 man content two healers don't get two healers worth amount of healing to do either.

This is very common in casual content. Everybody that plays a healer and done alliance roulette has run into a situation where your co-healer spams Medica 2 or w/e so there is literally nothing for you to do than to broil. You are effectively forced into "off-healer" position, but the game systems do not support this at all.

Yea, Tanks aren't always just tanking, but like I said, by the same logic that "Healers should heal", tanks should not have DPS either and they should just tank. Their entire purpose of their attacks could easily be replaced by bringing back Flash. By the same logic that they're using to keep healers the way they are, Tanks should have nothing but Flash and way too much Mitigation.

[Isala]

Problem is, in 8 man content two healers don't get two healers worth amount of healing to do either.

Sometimes, they don't even get one healer worth of healing to do...

[Naychan]

The Japanese base is more likely to be more agreeable with the japanese company. As well as the fanbase's culture of rejecting criticism in all forms, and the intensity of japanese conformity culture.
Like the rest, the view is that Square can do do wrong and it's their job to justify it.
Lastly, to the japanese playerbase, healer is an inherently inferior role, so it is correct and natural to keep it in its place.

Also the jap base forums are heavily moderated and if you say anything negative they probably remove it, cause heaven forbid somebody has an opinion different the SE.

[Naychan]

Don’t tell them that they have also dmg reduction tools. They have a mental breakdown if you do

I thought they took those all out cause it was to difficult to manage DPS for most people?

[Naychan]

Playing only DPS in XIV but healer in other MMOs really shows to me that XIV players really aren't mmo players.
I am so used to DPS in other MMOs helping out through buffs, mitigations and aggro control but in XIV they literally just DPS, Its pretty boring. When im on Monk doing extremes in PF I often ask the healers if they have points they want me to use Mantra at and they're always suprised that I even use Mantra let alone talk to them about it. Also no one talks about who mits first between casters, melees and phys range so they don't overstack each other even in savage. XIV players honestly take the Role names completely at face value, DPS need to DPS, Healers need to Heal and Tanks need to Tank don't do anything else.

This is why when I first started I choose Healer & Bard but after the great gutting bard really feels like the other dps jobs. Outside of long pulls & bad groups healing is not all that exciting either.

[Bobby66]

I thought they took those all out cause it was to difficult to manage DPS for most people?

Lol DPS could not even use their ogcd aggro dump.

I think people greatly underestimate what the avg player is willing or capable of doing. Hell, we have posts on here and reddit of people complaining about the normal mlde difficulty and speed at which mechanics come out. Because they added a few gotcha mechanics like the floor.

[Volgia]

Where are the healer scabs

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Also the jap base forums are heavily moderated and if you say anything negative they probably remove it, cause heaven forbid somebody has an opinion different the SE.

^This.

Try find places like 2ch and suddenly you'll start seeing some real unfiltered opinions - sometimes even worse than what we see around here lol.

[ForsakenRoe]

Media Tour 2021:

I love that interview, because of this line:

'Or if there’s like a particular barrier ability that you cast and once that’s depleted it increases the resource which could lead to an attack which is very unique'

Very unique, as in, 'DRK has had this for a whole expansion with TBN/the Dark Arts proc'. I don't know if Yoshi-P knows what happens with jobs outside of BLM

But the point remains: If Y-P thinks that the sense of exhilaration for healers should come from 'doing really good heal work', then they should have that reflected in ALL content. Healing should be harder in EX roulettes, so that we're forced to spam GCD heals to keep up. Make every EX roulette dungeon have a section like TEA's JWaves, make those dolls in Deadwalk hit for 20k per slam instead of 5k each

Y-P's insistence that 'we cannot do X because of a hypothetical that I just thought of' is very annoying. It's like when he was on about how 'we cant let BLU be a real job, because what if someone didn't learn all the actions?'. Yeh, and we still get the occasional level 90 CNJ who refuses to pick up their jobstone. Or 'we can't let BLU be a real job, because it'd be no fun if the BLU just used LVL-5 Death and oneshot the raid boss' Yeh, and look which raidbosses LVL5 Death works on... None of them! Because you can code the bosses to be immune to the effect! Wow! For crying out loud, if people were to say 'you have a damage action, why don't you use it' that's literally covered by the TOS and can be reported!

If you hamper your design options because 'what if someone is nasty in party chat', you won't have a game left. Someone is ALWAYS going to be weird in party chat, about whatever you let through. Removing all the damage buttons from WHM except Glare/Dia/Holy? Guess what, people ask 'hey can you use Holy it has a stun and that prevents the mobs doing damage at all for 4sec'. You will NEVER stop people from doing this, just let the TOS take care of those that do, that's what the clause is there for!

Oh and also, again, it's not 'cheese' or 'cheating' to use healer damage to clear content week 1. Your 'feelings' about how healers should play don't trump the simple maths of whether it's required or not (it is). If Y-P is right in that interview, and his stance applies to all content, he'd better have a word with the battle team to lower the DPS checks on Savage so it's actually clearable without healers dealing damage

[Kohashi]

I come from 1.0 thanks. I've seen the arguments, and I've seen how the content has never changed to REQUIRE DPS from the healer. Between the developers confirming that, and poorly skilled players complaining about DPS numbers for purely egotistical reasons, not once has anyone shown where a piece of content in the game was actually designed as not completable by playing it as designed.

Media Tour 2021:

Yoshi-P said they will not give full DPS rotations to healers because their main goal is keeping the party going and he wants the healing aspect of the game to feel rewarding. Not that they shouldn't do any DPS at all and heal.

As for the rest, as long as DPS checks exist in the game, it is obvious there is an optimal way for classes to be played to beat that. There aren't many in casual content, but they sure do exist in the harder ones.