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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    GZ all on 7000 posts, now for another 7000

    It really does feel (and to me, during EW too) that the shoe had swapped feet, that WOW was the underdog that was now fighting to regain the trust of its playerbase after having taken them for granted (with Dragonflight and now The War Within), and SE has become the 'king' that believes it is too large to fail
    Now we just need Yoshi P to have a "You think you do, but you don't" moment to complete the circle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Now we just need Yoshi P to have a "You think you do, but you don't" moment to complete the circle.
    Isn't that what 'If you want challenging gameplay as healer, give ultimate a try!' was? Or how about 'please give healers a try' (in response to Abyssos causing a shortage)? Or what about the one that went something like 'Our data showed SCH was forcing WHM to do all the healing' (the charts from the time showed the two to be equal on HPS, and with the 'Mitigation = HPS' change to FFlogs, SCH would dominate in said charts)

    YoshiP's had plenty of 'moments', I'd say
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Isn't that what 'If you want challenging gameplay as healer, give ultimate a try!' was? Or how about 'please give healers a try' (in response to Abyssos causing a shortage)? Or what about the one that went something like 'Our data showed SCH was forcing WHM to do all the healing' (the charts from the time showed the two to be equal on HPS, and with the 'Mitigation = HPS' change to FFlogs, SCH would dominate in said charts)

    YoshiP's had plenty of 'moments', I'd say
    And yet, this thread exists. People clearly don't know how to read between the lines. They want Healers to remain as is and not have to devote by default more resources towards dps options. People just have a really hard time accepting something that hasn't and likely won't change for years to come. At this point, whoever still plays healer, liked it for what it is. If you don't like it, play a caster instead. It's not that hard to accept the devs stance at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    And yet, this thread exists. People clearly don't know how to read between the lines. They want Healers to remain as is and not have to devote by default more resources towards dps options. People just have a really hard time accepting something that hasn't and likely won't change for years to come. At this point, whoever still plays healer, liked it for what it is. If you don't like it, play a caster instead. It's not that hard to accept the devs stance at this point.
    Oh look, another oracle who can apparently predict the future and also read the devs' minds. This "reading between the lines" is completely made up because they have never made any "stance" clear. Hell, they have recently openly admitted that they went too far with job simplification. Unless they come out and say something, all we have is speculation, so please stop treating said speculation as fact just because it fits with your opinion.

    That and their minds clearly change. Remember how they told us they would never release 2 DPS in an expansion again? Yeah, about that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    That and their minds clearly change. Remember how they told us they would never release 2 DPS in an expansion again? Yeah, about that...
    Didn't they also at one point say that Paladins would never block magic attacks? Only to change that not long into Stormbloods release? Female Viera and Male Hrothgar were supposed to be the last races because both were wanted by the devs and playerbase, but they only had resources for 1 race, so they settled on 2 half-baked races, they clearly changed their mind to release the opposite sexes over the expansions. Every rework made is the devs changing their minds, every QoL change they once said was impossible is the devs changing their minds, it's fully possible for Square to change their minds on healer designs, they just need to have an open mind and some creativity to act on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    Oh look, another oracle who can apparently predict the future and also read the devs' minds. This "reading between the lines" is completely made up because they have never made any "stance" clear. Hell, they have recently openly admitted that they went too far with job simplification. Unless they come out and say something, all we have is speculation, so please stop treating said speculation as fact just because it fits with your opinion.

    That and their minds clearly change. Remember how they told us they would never release 2 DPS in an expansion again? Yeah, about that...
    Of course nobody can predict "accurately to 100%" the future. But you can analyze the trends. This strike didn't pop up from nowhere and some healers have been writting the same old feedback for what? Years?
    So if in 5-6 years(or however long people have been unhappy) and SE still hasn't budged. Well "An absence of an answer is also an answer" and people will get the hint eventually...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revash View Post
    Of course nobody can predict "accurately to 100%" the future. But you can analyze the trends. This strike didn't pop up from nowhere and some healers have been writting the same old feedback for what? Years?
    So if in 5-6 years(or however long people have been unhappy) and SE still hasn't budged. Well "An absence of an answer is also an answer" and people will get the hint eventually...
    PLD didn't have a single ogcd/inherent heals for a decade. Look at it now.

    Things can change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    PLD didn't have a single ogcd/inherent heals for a decade. Look at it now.

    Things can change.
    I think the PLD issue could be covered because the other tanks were not that bad? the issue for healers infects virtually the entire job class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aiqa View Post
    PLD didn't have a single ogcd/inherent heals for a decade. Look at it now.

    Things can change.
    Its not really the same as adding a spell or two and outright changing the whole "philosophy" of the role. TL: D R the stikers requests goes beyond just adding 1 spell but gives an impression of turning healer roles into some dps with support abilities role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Now we just need Yoshi P to have a "You think you do, but you don't" moment to complete the circle.
    We should make a new game!

    Something different from FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE bingo, though. My card's been filled several times over already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zakuyia View Post
    I'm assuming the healer strike went nowhere if anything it came out as a joke. OwO
    That would be a bad assumption. This thread and the Discord are still going strong. The people who weren't playing healers for randoms are still not playing healers.

    Everything is moving along nicely. The only joke is the number of players trying to derail the strike without knowing what it is or why it came about.
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    Last edited by Kacho_Nacho; 07-15-2024 at 04:21 AM.