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  1. #5881
    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    It does genuinely seem that there was an attempt to design more frantic fights with plenty of avoidable mechanics that come at you at high speed. Unavoidable damage is still somewhat low, though it has definitely been increased. Savy players will still manage to dodge stuff thus keeping damage taken to a point where GCD healing isn't warranted, but I was genuinely surpruised at some of the Expert roulette mechanics, not only in bosses but also packs.

    We still broiling though, even if the frantic pace of the dungeons and bosses does make the general experience more exciting.
    Let’s be real here some bosses are a bit more spicy the first time but some people say specific toothpaste is spicy. I really only had 1 boss were I said it I would be fun to hold full nuke button uptime and heal derp players when I did it as Meele (was healer main so it’s hard spotting fun fights when you play a actual interesting role) and that’s the 87 dungeon 2 boss. The rest is there I would say.
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  2. #5882
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    Basteala Thayne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortex View Post
    The healer I mostly get are the most inexperienced healer I have ever got and in a decent amount of runs even not some small number. They have only the fraction of a clue what tools they have and the moment shit hits the fan they fall apart. But luckily a decent chunk of tanks are wars so they just heal 3 different people and still be fine In the boss fights.

    But yeah if it’s a drk tank and you have an inexperienced healer it’s just perfect cinema seeing the struggle and getting punched into a pulp by trash packs after the drk runs out of cds. Also bonus points if the drk is also not good.
    Oh hey that was like 90% of the duties I did on my Black Mage XD
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  3. #5883
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    Except this isn't the case in casual gameplay. I've been doing most of the roulettes as heals the past couple days, with random, typical players, and I'm healing a lot. Typical tank doing the typical 2-pack pull would probably drop dead at least half the time if I didn't actively heal. Heck, I've had to break out the whole kit sometimes, not to mention when DPS (and sometimes myself) stop paying attention to our footing and stand in bad places. I feel like the "problem" is that for many of us, the community we interact with grows smaller and ends up only including people of similar experience and skill as us, and then of course things seem easy. But that's not the norm for the typical player doing the typical DF run, and that's what needs to be taken into account from a design perspective.
    Me and my friends do dungeons as 3 meeles (3 viper funny enough so not even any self defensive tolls and only second wind and blood path and we are one shooting even with some deaths all the bosses) and 1 war tank and he is bored and say he sometimes doesn’t even use all his mitigations tools.

    With a healer these dungeons are the most free ever expect people hard derping mechs and then again it’s the fact that other people shit the bed that you can have some fun as healer.

    Like I helped people lvl picto and Viper a decent amount and playing healer actually gave me the time to slowly eat my sandwiches mid dungeon and finish some Netflix series and find new good music. If you find this is fun then more power to you people but I just can’t do this for a extended amount of time before falling asleep
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  4. #5884
    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basteala View Post
    Oh hey that was like 90% of the duties I did on my Black Mage XD
    It’s like watching a car accident. Like you know you shouldn’t keep starring but you still do until the car that beat the snoot out of the tank because he and the healer didn’t do anything for self preservation drives up to you and does the same.
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  5. #5885
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    It does genuinely seem that there was an attempt to design more frantic fights with plenty of avoidable mechanics that come at you at high speed. Unavoidable damage is still somewhat low, though it has definitely been increased. Savy players will still manage to dodge stuff thus keeping damage taken to a point where GCD healing isn't warranted, but I was genuinely surpruised at some of the Expert roulette mechanics, not only in bosses but also packs.

    We still broiling though, even if the frantic pace of the dungeons and bosses does make the general experience more exciting.
    until we get more unavoidable damage or cleansing based mechanics we probably won't get much fun for healers. I know most old healer mains want more damage for downtime over more to heal because of how it would work in old content (though lets be real all of the Jobs feel terrible at lower levels so it wouldnt jump out.) but if the devs genuinely don't want more damage and want healers to heal they should just force GCD heals and more button presses outside of mitigation and oGCD heals. Though id argue this would make new players avoid healers just as much as them having damage mechanics.
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  6. #5886
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    Local_Custard's Avatar
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    Rhel'a Tayuun
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    Bard is really fun to play! :3
    I am actually enjoying the game who would've thunk it that me playing healers in this game have sapped away my enjoyment. Mind you, it is because they are poorly designed. I enjoy the responsibility it entails even if it means me messing up has consequences (Unless it is a poorly preforming drk or the rare tanks I somehow managed to run into once every 2 months in gear that is basically min ilvl or at ilvl or in gatherer/crafter gear (has happened once)... healers don't exactly have much responsibility in this game). Malefic spam just isn't fun. Bard, on the other hand, while it has a main attack button the procs more than make up for it. I also like some of the passive supportive capabilities I get from a group mit to enhancing heals. Though I sure would enjoy if brd got some other support like AoE DoTs, or some other support stuff bards could do in other FF games. The small esuna bard has is a nice thought for me to use, especially in a pinch.
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    I love the men in this game

    I finally return to the game! Current goal: getting all my jobs to 90

  7. #5887
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    Considering the inbuilt bias to show 'tank in need' for things, this paints quite a picture. I had a 25min wait for EX roulette earlier today, and spend about 35-40min waiting for the final level 100 trial (both as a DPS)
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  8. #5888
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    Rexipher Evergrey
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post


    Considering the inbuilt bias to show 'tank in need' for things, this paints quite a picture
    Didn't people talk about this earlier, how the DF isn't actually accurate when someone posted a pic when there was pretty much only tank job showing up?
    Like I've had instant queues when I was a DPS in a queue where healer and/or tanks were showing.
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  9. #5889
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evergrey View Post
    Didn't people talk about this earlier, how the DF isn't actually accurate when someone posted a pic when there was pretty much only tank job showing up?
    Like I've had instant queues when I was a DPS in a queue where healer and/or tanks were showing.
    Yes, as I said, the system has a bias towards showing tanks first. Like how previously, before fixing it, the PVP queue would fill Maelstrom first (so premades would get put on Mael, leading to the perception that Mael wins at PVP more than other teams. The point is, if healers are showing in need for things despite this bias towards tanks, then the healer 'need' is actually really big
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    Last edited by ForsakenRoe; 07-02-2024 at 03:42 AM.

  10. #5890
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    Rexipher Evergrey
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Yes, as I said, the system has a bias towards showing tanks first. Like how previously, before fixing it, the PVP queue would fill Maelstrom first (so premades would get put on Mael, leading to the perception that Mael wins at PVP more than other teams). The point is, if healers are showing in need for things despite this bias towards tanks, then the healer 'need' is actually really big
    I wouldn't say "Really big" personally.
    I have to wait pretty much the same time for roulettes as before, Even with 2 new DPS jobs and a healer strike.
    But I guess the experience might differ from servers / data centers.
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