#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[CaptainLagbeard]

I love how everyone who seems to be against the strike literally doesn’t understand any of the points any of us have made. Like 90% of the objections I’ve seen are normies who think this is all because Xeno cleared the 91 dungeon without a healer when that was just the straw that broke the camel’s back.

The thing with that is that they've effectively softened everything up to a point that it's actually tanks that are obsolete, because a DPS or a Healer can easily survive a "tankbuster" in generally anything below Extreme Trials. And as they made tanks obsolete, they also gave WAR and PLD more than enough tools to actually function as healers.

But as tanks can heal themselves, and everything hits for barely anything... Healers have more downtime, which inherently isn't a bad thing but they just absolutely refuse to give Healers anything to do with said downtime. All we get is spamming 1. Occasionally pressing 2 to reapply a DoT.

[Supersnow845]

The thing with that is that they've effectively softened everything up to a point that it's actually tanks that are obsolete, because a DPS or a Healer can easily survive a "tankbuster" in generally anything below Extreme Trials. And as they made tanks obsolete, they also gave WAR and PLD more than enough tools to actually function as healers.

But as tanks can heal themselves, and everything hits for barely anything... Healers have more downtime, which inherently isn't a bad thing but they just absolutely refuse to give Healers anything to do with said downtime. All we get is spamming 1. Occasionally pressing 2 to reapply a DoT.

Tanks aren’t obsolete for the single reason that in casual content they are the only ones who can effortlessly hold all agro and function without the other roles

In a dungeon a 1T3D is infinitely preferable to 1h3d and in a raid 4t4d is better than 4h4d

Yo dude, no need to get sarcastic. I can smell the salt all the way from Turliyollal lol. Sure midare spam is much less than the healers but I spam glare/malefic/broil/dosis when I play healers too and it's fine because I'm more concerned/busy of keeping the party alive than which color is my parse is going to be to after the clear. But hey you do you, living that salt life can be fun I guess...?

That’s our exact point where are you “busy keeping the party alive”, the tank is immortal in casual content and in savage you just fart out an oGCD and you’ll be at full by the next damage in 30 seconds

[SoloD007]

Tanks aren’t obsolete for the single reason that in casual content they are the only ones who can effortlessly hold all agro and function without the other roles

In a dungeon a 1T3D is infinitely preferable to 1h3d and in a raid 4t4d is better than 4h4d



That’s our exact point where are you “busy keeping the party alive”, the tank is immortal in casual content and in savage you just fart out an oGCD and you’ll be at full by the next damage in 30 seconds

30 secs is pretty fast in a savage content or higher content. Considering a typical clear fight if no errors and dps is on point is like 8 - 10 mins...? I think by the time you can even drink a mouthful of water, everyone is pretty much almost dead... lol

[CaptainLagbeard]

Tanks aren’t obsolete for the single reason that in casual content they are the only ones who can effortlessly hold all agro and function without the other roles

In a dungeon a 1T3D is infinitely preferable to 1h3d and in a raid 4t4d is better than 4h4d

I would like to see someone try to do a dungeon with a DRK and 3 DPS (without RDM for Vercure) to show that Tanks aren't obsolete, and it's not that WAR or PLD can double as a healer.

Alternatively, if you wanted to see if they indeed are, you could try to pull off doing a dungeon with 4 RDM, if I am correct they should be able to just facetank the boss and Vercure each other back up.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I would like to see someone try to do a dungeon with a DRK and 3 DPS (without RDM for Vercure) to show that Tanks aren't obsolete.

Alternatively, if you wanted to see if they indeed are, you could try to pull off doing a dungeon with 4 RDM, if I am correct they should be able to just facetank the boss and Vercure each other back up.

part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCy-PkLgZ68
part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttiIWIZsaA

I have wrote this somewhere before that explains the tl;dr of these two vids:

That 1DRK + 3DPS endeavor was run with MINE in the following duties:

1. Holminster Switch - no completion time data.
2. Amaurot - 15:58
3. Bardam's Mettle - 14:57
4. The Tower of Zot - 22:03 (wipe once on last boss, cleared in 2nd pull)
5. Dohn Mheg - 15:17 (also no interrupt/interject used on Fuath)
6. Mt. Gulg - 15:36 (with first megapull of 5 packs & last megapull, NO wipes on both.)
7. Shisui of the Violet Tides - 12:30 (wipe once on megapull after 1st boss)
8. Doma Castle - 15:39 (wipe once on megapull after 1st boss)
9. The Qitana Ravel - 20:25 (wipe once on last megapull)

All of these dungeons are filled with more commonly known "hard to heal by DF healer"-pulls. Again, with MINE active. It's not a situation you'll realistically see in daily DF runs - that's the equivalent of not wearing all gears obtained from first playthrough of MSQ on all 4 participants. It was far from a series of perfect runs. That low of a collective HPS was all that's needed, let that sink in. It should NOT even be a thing ideally.

[CaptainLagbeard]

part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCy-PkLgZ68
part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttiIWIZsaA

I have wrote this somewhere before that explains the tl;dr of these two vids:

Those are pretty far from normal dungeon run times... If it was purely a case of heals not being needed, it should be faster than a normal 1t, 1h, 2d run at Min ilvl (dungeons don't have echo) because you're replacing the lower damage healer with a DPS.

[Katish]

Those are pretty far from normal dungeon run times... If it was purely a case of heals not being needed, it should be faster than a normal 1t, 1h, 2d run at Min ilvl (dungeons don't have echo) because you're replacing the lower damage healer with a DPS.

No actually, it was faster have you tried min ilvl? Min ilvl is BELOW questing gear, and your level is synced to the minimum for the dungeon, you have to manually queue for it. Another thing is, I had to hold as DRK to prolong the invuln any other tank would have made it go that much faster, and even then it was faster...now with the new sustain I might not even need to wait in LD. Which means, at 90+ drk can satisfy continuous damage like the other tanks. So the point does get it across quite well, as I chose drk for being the squishier tank. Any tank can full pull without a healer...And the more sustain, the less need for a healer obviously, the less need for a healer the quicker the dungeon. This not limited to only dungeons though, I ran some healerless extremes as well. Waiting for those uploads....quickiest extremes ever, right before maintenance.