#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Kira619]

And again you're making the same mistake. People not posting in the forums doesn't prove they do or don't support any ideology. You accuse people supporting the strike of making the exact same "mistake" you yourself keep making (just the other way around), again and again: making assumptions about the wider opinions of FF players based on what goes on in the forums. Even after it was pointed out to you. And while people supporting the strike at least have a "it's a bigger thread than most others", you have nothing at all that ties numbers of forum posts to numbers of FF players.

I would have accepted either "I don't think you can extrapolate what goes on in the forum to the wider playerbase" or "I think you can make assumptions about the wider playerbase based on what goes on in the forums". There are things to be said for both, that is why I never got into arguments about the forums being representative or not before. But attacking the strike over it, and then doing the same thing in the same post, is just silly. And doubling down on it, after it was pointed out, is worse.

And again, you're not listening, And then you double down because instead of trying to listen to what I'm actually trying to say, you like others attempt to twist the narrative because my viewpoint contradicts your own. I have already addressed this.

Ah, there must be a misunderstanding. I'm not assuming that the only people who share these viewpoints are those that appear in this forum. That would be mathematically impossible. I'm saying that the threads seen here can't be used as a representative to indicate the audience as a whole, because they represent too small of a numerical value to reflect the majority of the audience. Hence, the topics seen here express a very small minority of the gaming audience as a whole. AKA, there is nowhere near enough traffic in this thread to state the feelings expressed here represent how the majority feel within the gaming bloc.

The point being, the traffic used here represents too miniscule a number to be a determining factor in how the gaming bloc feels. The 0.001% statement was to represent a closer correlation than page traffic but neither ratio is accurate in determining how the gaming bloc feels. Just like how it's not accurate to state your ratio was correct seeing as this thread would largely be viewed by those that contradict my opinion and support the Ops opinion.

[Pip_Chick]

you confuse my "it was annoying" as being bitter? I'm not bitter about anything i found dots to be an annoying thing to manage when other things are already keeping me busy, and my main DPS job is a summoner when I'm not playing sage so yeah, i LOVE the new summoner because its no longer dot mage extrodinare with the biggest RNG proc rotation on the planet. I was told by someone else that I should be upset that there is no double stacked dot on sage, and I was explaining why I don't like it. You've played 6 years, I've played for 10... when I mained summoner in 2.0 I got kicked by try hards for letting dots fall off in what was supposed to be casual content. My IRL husband quit playing all together due to bullying by parsers in 2.0 casual content. So just because YOU haven't experienced the bad side of things doesn't mean it doesn't happen or exist.

You're not bitter? All you said was just you being bitter. Also, not to be mean, but we are in 7.0 not 2.0 do you have ANY moment in the current game era where people would do this? Sounds like you are stuck in the past hung up on a moment from 10 years ago. And nowadays this just doesn't happen unless you do the hardest content like Ultimates where every damage and cooldown matters.
Also bullying for a parse is a bannable offence and SE goes hard on those people.

And no I have not confused anything you are bitter over people who enjoyed the Dot gameplay and want it back, you purposely pick up jobs that have Dots and ask for their removal and even celebrate it. What about the people who liked it before and now they have no job to fall back on? You have plenty of DoT-less jobs, but there is no Dot job left.

Just because you played for longer doesn't make my experience and feedback less important.

[Kira619]

Thanks for clarifying, I believe that is a fair assumption and agree with you! I can only speak for myself - I support what I believe to be right, even if I am the only one doing it, so numbers don't matter to me. If we are just a small portion, then queues will not be affected, so no need for the drama at all. I will make my decision to change roles - not out of spite, but to have fun playing

Thank you! And I have no problem with those wanting to do the strike to express their concerns, just to be clear. Ultimately it all comes down to differences of opinions on how the game is and there are certain aspects that people won't agree upon, which is perfectly fine. I only wanted to clarify a few things that I was seeing in this thread which was why I responded. I kept seeing things like:


Why are people posting against the values of the Op - To me it was simple, there are posters who disagree with the game needing to be more challenging, that tank migitation need to be reduced, and that dps needed to have their healing removed. I know summoners heal like absolute garbage. I get more HP back from an X-potion than my actual healing spell. The one saving grace we get is our raise if both of the healers go down (which definitely happens often in raids and trials from my experience.) Had the strike been solely about beefing up healer's DPS, I don't think there would be anywhere close to as much pushback from posters.


The regular belittering of those who enjoy more accessible content by some posters - Hence I posted why this is partially why it won't go anywhere. This isn't WoW. That's a Wow logic and the devs wants to maintain it's accessibility for others.


Why there hasn't been much results seen tailoring towards the feedback seen in this forum - Me highlighting the reasons why


Etc.


So now that I provided my opinion on why those things were the way they are, I'm ready to bow out of the conversation.



Happy Striking!

[xbahax92]

you confuse my "it was annoying" as being bitter? I'm not bitter about anything i found dots to be an annoying thing to manage when other things are already keeping me busy, and my main DPS job is a summoner when I'm not playing sage so yeah, i LOVE the new summoner because its no longer dot mage extrodinare with the biggest RNG proc rotation on the planet. I was told by someone else that I should be upset that there is no double stacked dot on sage, and I was explaining why I don't like it. You've played 6 years, I've played for 10... when I mained summoner in 2.0 I got kicked by try hards for letting dots fall off in what was supposed to be casual content. My IRL husband quit playing all together due to bullying by parsers in 2.0 casual content. So just because YOU haven't experienced the bad side of things doesn't mean it doesn't happen or exist.

You're aware that the ToS got updated many times in the past and you can basically report anyone for a single comment? I don't think your past experience should limit the creativity of job engagements.
Also, why are we comparing healer situation with parsers? Comparing apples with pears much?

[Kohashi]

We? Who are we again? I'm fine over here.

I find this "movement" utterly ridiculous. Most claims hold no ground whatsoever and would only serve to over-destabilize the entire game. Even if they give 1-2 extra buttons of DPS to the healer, the novelty and the "fun" will wear off really fast and people will end up complaining about something else *cough* Sage double dot *cough* (who the F even used that).

Trash content is supposed to be exactly that, trash. Low entry, done fast, with the least friction as possible, especially when they are literally just chores.

Since we are clowning around.. let's go all in:

1. Scaled Down versions of Barbaricia EXtreme for all dungeons
2. The dungeon will have a perma min ilvl and no echo enforced, regardless of how much you die.
3. The raid wides always leave players with 15-10% HP(including tanks- no more tank privilege suckers!) followed by multi-hit TB.
4. The TB must be taken with at least 2-3 mits or after the TB, the remaining dot will be very hard if not impossible to heal.
5. The boss leaves the arena every 20s. Upon returning 3-4 mechanics will have to be executed in fast succession.

Jokes aside, see you when I see you.

[Fawkes]

*cough* Sage double dot *cough* (who the F even used that).

Even used what? It's a new DoT being added, nobody has used it yet outside of the media tour.

[Isala]

We? Who are we again? I'm fine over here.

I find this "movement" utterly ridiculous. Most claims hold no ground whatsoever and would only serve to over-destabilize the entire game. Even if they give 1-2 extra buttons of DPS to the healer, the novelty and the "fun" will wear off really fast and people will end up complaining about something else *cough* Sage double dot *cough* (who the F even used that).

Trash content is supposed to be exactly that, trash. Low entry, done fast, with the least friction as possible, especially when they are literally just chores.

Since we are clowning around.. let's go all in:

1. Scaled Down versions of Barbaricia EXtreme for all dungeons
2. The dungeon will have a perma min ilvl and no echo enforced, regardless of how much you die.
3. The raid wides always leave players with 15-10% HP(including tanks- no more tank privilege suckers!) followed by multi-hit TB.
4. The TB must be taken with at least 2-3 mits or after the TB, the remaining dot will be very hard if not impossible to heal.
5. The boss leaves the arena every 20s. Upon returning 3-4 mechanics will have to be executed in fast succession.

Jokes aside, see you when I see you.

You joke, but having been a high end raider in WoW where our groups really did get hit that hard regularly, YES. Sign me up for that. Please.

[Pip_Chick]

Even used what? It's a new DoT being added, nobody has used it yet outside of the media tour.

Just a troll, block and move on. not worth the time.

Especially when they call dungeon trash content when... you have to do it to progress the game. :/

[SargeTheSeagull]

Wow. SE deleted my reply saying that I was now joining the strike.

[Kohashi]

You joke, but having been a high end raider in WoW where our groups really did get hit that hard regularly, YES. Sign me up for that. Please.

End game raider, okay, the vast majority of FF14 player base is casual. Savage is maybe 10% (if that) and ultimates represent maybe 1-2% at best.

I was High end raider in the previous game that I played, and I went into savage as soon I finished MSQ, what is keeping you back? For sure not all the fun you have in trash dungeons.