#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[RhaesDaenys]

Yeah, that's part of the problem. You play all roles, so you can swap whenever you feel like it. A lot of people only have time or want to play one, maybe two, jobs. Should they be punished by feeling unneeded or not having fun just because of poor design choices?

Many of us are frustrated that our feedback has not been heard for multiple expansions.
We have a much better understanding of the underlying problems with healers because we play them a lot in all modes.
We don't want the game to experience a healer drought, as everyone will suffer from longer queues, which will hurt the game significantly in the long term.
Most importantly, and this might surprise you, we just want to play the game we love (and pay for) while also having fun.

I don't see that as part of the problem. I play tank main, heals is my second and I often run normal content as heals for faster queues. While yes, the DPS rotation is very lackluster, I acknowledge that is likely due to the button bloat and having to be playable on controllers.

Again, the problem isn't the damage output, its that heals heal too much in general. You cast one and then you're back to DPS. Imagine if they nerfed healing enough to where you're casting 2-3, then you dps for a second or two, then back to healing, which I think most people would enjoy more.

[TheDustyOne]

I don't know about more damage dealt fixing the 'problem'. I've done enough content in this game to see raidwides and groupwide aoes still do 50-60 to sometimes 70% of health on most DPS jobs. Increasing that to 90% still means you cast one, maybe two OGCD heals and the problem is solved.

Do you want the damage to be more rapid? So that if you miss a single heal everyone dies?

Ignoring your hyperbole about missing a single heal, yes, if a healer doesn't heal between raidwides, people should die, otherwise the content has no threat and the healer is unnecessary.

Or do you want to just heal more often, which the fix for that, my friend, would be to nerf ALL HEALING IN THE GAME across the board. Because then you're healing more often, which fixes the problem if you not healing enough.

At which point you also make the few heal checks that do exist like Harrowing Hell require reworking. All you've done is replace Glare Glare Glare with Medica Medica Medica. The problem of healers being boring still exists and your "simple solution" doesn't help.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

I don't see that as part of the problem. I play tank main...

it's like clockwork really

[RhaesDaenys]

Ignoring your hyperbole about missing a single heal, yes, if a healer doesn't heal between raidwides, people should die, otherwise the content has no threat and the healer is unnecessary.



At which point you also make the few heal checks that do exist like Harrowing Hell require reworking. All you've done is replace Glare Glare Glare with Medica Medica Medica. The problem of healers being boring still exists and your "simple solution" doesn't help.

Okay so if Medica Medica Medica isn't acceptable then what exactly do you want? Give us a breakdown of how you want a fight to go.

All I see is people want to heal more and dps less, or have better dps abilities, which likely won't happen to button bloat.

So if casting multiple heals instead of DPS doesn't fix the 'i want to heal more' problem, then what does?

Saying "Tanks need to take more damage" is not an acceptable answer, FYI. Because by your own words, "Cure 2 Cure 2 Cure 2" is just a replacement for "Glare Glare Glare."

[RhaesDaenys]

it's like clockwork really

Just because I'm a tank main doesn't mean anything other than I play a tank. I play healers, too. I'm trying to discern exactly what you all want. Because apparently replacing spamming DPS with multiple heals isn't acceptable according to TheDustyOne.

[KellyEwer]

That's...that's what we're doing...

Well no, you're trying to make it into some kind of political stand thing, which is hilarious. Do you not have any real-world issues that trouble you enough to demand your attention? You have to act like healers not being the gods of the party all the time is some kind of threatening issue? I'm begging anyone who is part of this "movement" to touch grass.

[Exino]

I don't see that as part of the problem. I play tank main, heals is my second and I often run normal content as heals for faster queues. While yes, the DPS rotation is very lackluster, I acknowledge that is likely due to the button bloat and having to be playable on controllers.

Again, the problem isn't the damage output, its that heals heal too much in general. You cast one and then you're back to DPS. Imagine if they nerfed healing enough to where you're casting 2-3, then you dps for a second or two, then back to healing, which I think most people would enjoy more.

Video games should equal fun. Many healer mains are not having fun. Healers are often unneeded in certain scenarios, which is frustrating. No group content in a trinity-system-based game should be easily cleared with part of that trinity system missing.

How this issue will be fixed is up for discussion – there are quite a few feasible options to choose from.
The problem first needs to be acknowledged by SE, and they need to tell us what options are on the table.
Only then we can have a real discussion.

If you knowingly accept the fact that an important part of the player base feels unneeded or unhappy, then don't be surprised when the game as a whole suffers in long-term as a result.

[NarhiFaunlha]

I'm posting here because someone randomly sent me a tell about this post. So thank you random stranger, for disrupting my shout chat conversation to complain.

The Expac isn't even out yet. We don't know what mechanics will be introduced or how fights will evolve over the course of the expansion. I should be thanking everyone here however for the strike, when I decide to level up Scholar on my alt the queue times are going to be so quick.

[Local_Custard]

Well no, you're trying to make it into some kind of political stand thing, which is hilarious. Do you not have any real-world issues that trouble you enough to demand your attention? You have to act like healers not being the gods of the party all the time is some kind of threatening issue? I'm begging anyone who is part of this "movement" to touch grass.

I was just outside touching all the grass! The chickens got jealous. Then I ate all the grass... sad times.

edit: Chickens is literal. I held a chicken 5 minutes ago

The only stand we're taking is that the current healer role design is made for no one. Casuals are bored and unable to improve because they aren't usually pushed to (tanks heal themselves. mechanics hit like wet noodles. overpowered tools) and raiders often feel like they are watching paint dry on downtime when there is nothing to heal and only 1 button to press.

You have to act like healers not being the gods of the party all the time is some kind of threatening issue?

ah yes, the role that is god-like: healers. I can solo some endwalker FATEs as AST if I apply 10 different HoTs, does that count?
The real god mode of this game is WAR. That is definitely a problem. Remember all those times WAR could solo a boss when everyone else was dead? Meanwhile, healers are squishy so if they get hit it is often just 2 more seconds and they die from autos or a tankbuster. It isn't really fun to be unable to do anything while someone else plays the game for you. Not to mention, it is very common to not find anyone to heal because the tank is at 100% from their own kit self-sustain.

[SongOfTheWind]

Well no, you're trying to make it into some kind of political stand thing, which is hilarious. Do you not have any real-world issues that trouble you enough to demand your attention? You have to act like healers not being the gods of the party all the time is some kind of threatening issue? I'm begging anyone who is part of this "movement" to touch grass.

Tbf you equally could have been spending your time on real world issues instead of begging people to touch grass on video game related forums.