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  1. #571
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    Just going to add my signature in support since the free trial is giving me the opportunity.

    SCH was my favorite class from ARR through SB, but I stopped playing it entirely (as well as AST and WHM) during ShB. If it weren't for wanting to try out the SMN rework in EW (and being hugely disappointed by it), I wouldn't have a single level 90 healer on my account. No need to dig into details, since they've been said a million times before by others.

    I won't be buying DT, but hopefully things get better for all of you folks sticking it out.
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  2. #572
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    I have updated the OP to include a manifesto. I will still put additional thought into it and likely continue to update it. For now, I just wanted to get something up there. I hope this is sufficient and will continue to take additional feedback into consideration.
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  3. #573
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kissune View Post
    Bc showing up on the JP forums with a manifesto that has been run through google translate can very well do more harm than good, and can come off as pushy or arrogant. I'm not opposed to reaching overseas, but I'd much rather it be from someone who is bilingual than trusting a machine to capture the nuance that has to be present in a topic like this.
    Because God knows, posters on the Final Fantasy XIV Official English Forums would *never* want to come across as "pushy" or "arrogant."
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  4. #574
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    Noah Orih
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connor View Post
    Just a thought, but I wonder if mass healer strikes in higher content would force them to rethink things? I mean, they clearly only really care about raids anyway (‘if you want to have fun as a healer just do ultimate’), and I remember Yoshi really wanted FFXIV to get into the esports scene at one point. Maybe if people literally stopped doing things like Savage / Ultimate world first clears, the devs would finally be forced to accept how deeply unsatisfied most players are with healers.

    That said, I wouldn’t expect something like that to actually happen, if not just because it’s pretty unfair to essentially punish world firsters / raiders for Yoshi-P’s negligence over healers. But still, I bet if the community tried to do their ‘world first clear’ thing and couldn’t get enough healers to actually do the content, the devs wouldn’t have a choice but to listen. But that’s like 1 part tinfoil hat theory and 1 part copium lol
    I don’t think that’s helped, because we did see a healer drought in savage during EW and look where that got us. I think it needs to become a major roadblock for the average player trying to do their normal content. Remembered Raubahn EX? Some thing like that would force a response. Not, as has been said before, the likelihood that the outcome will have that effect is low, but the point is more to grab attention and get people—especially big names in the FFXIV community talking about these problems. We’ve already seen people coming out of the woodwork here to show their support: lurkers who never post on the forums. That will happen as well if people who don’t even care about the forums or Reddit start hearing this too.
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  5. #575
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    Because God knows, posters on the Final Fantasy XIV Official English Forums would *never* want to come across as "pushy" or "arrogant."
    I mean, yeah. We're definitely ruder over here. I don't get what kind of gotcha you think you're throwing out here...

    Because we also know that methodology doesn't fly over in JP. If we show up with poorly translated, poorly articulated arguments... The pushback for 'rudeness' will kill the movement over there before it begins.
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    I gave AST a shot, and it's still miserable to play, even to think about. Worst iteration by far. Praying for 8.0, I guess...

  6. #576
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    Because God knows, posters on the Final Fantasy XIV Official English Forums would *never* want to come across as "pushy" or "arrogant."
    Actually, I apologize for this post. I was a bit irritated by the accusations of trolling and lashed out. I appreciate the difficulties you address in the latter half of your post, but I still think the potential benefit is more than worth the risk if possibly offending a few Japanese posters.
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  7. #577
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    I understand how the idea may come off as “performative” if we aren’t trying to bring JP into the fold but I also think that it proverbially “unfair” that to have our feedback heard we need to beg for the support of the JP fanbase

    I feel like this is something that EN should focus on because our feedback should be no more or less important than JP and there is a million and one ways they can make both sides happy

    However I do acknowledge you were coming from a point of wanting to genuinely help and I do agree you have been treated quite rudely. I apologise on my front
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  8. #578
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    The problem is, the Japanese player base seems content with how things are. *They* are the people you need to convince, because the devs actually listen to them. That's why I think this strike is, in the end, meaningless. Even if everyone who has, is, and will post on this thread got 10 people to agree to strike, it still won't make a dent in queue times. In the end, the strike is performative, especially as most of you are still subscribed.
    This isn't strictly true.

    I play on JP servers and we have been having healer droughts in PF and DF is regularly instant pop on healers to this day, the "green river" thing came from JP after all.

    Also, a while back, the JP players complained that the dev team only listens to the EN players, so I don't get why you think that the dev team listens exclusively to them, considering that some of their biggest gripes are also going unaddressed.
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  9. #579
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacae View Post
    Because God knows, posters on the Final Fantasy XIV Official English Forums would *never* want to come across as "pushy" or "arrogant."
    Why are you being so antagonistic? Either offer support or don't. People have tried in the past to get in touch with JP forums. I particularly don't want to use AI to translate something that could be misconstrued. I've heard the JP community would rather EN people reach out to a JP user that'd be able to help with translation. But, it's not so easy getting hold of someone that's a bilingual healer main, willing to translate thousands of words. Well, I don't know anyone that fits that criteria, so the next best thing is to show support for eachother, to make it clear that none one of us feel alone in our frustrations. It doesn't help when other players come along, who either don't play or care about healer, and question our motives and methods.

    Not attacking, but, it's just frustrating when we're facing dismissal from the devs, and also from fellow Warriors of Light.
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  10. #580
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I understand how the idea may come off as “performative” if we aren’t trying to bring JP into the fold but I also think that it proverbially “unfair” that to have our feedback heard we need to beg for the support of the JP fanbase

    I feel like this is something that EN should focus on because our feedback should be no more or less important than JP and there is a million and one ways they can make both sides happy

    However I do acknowledge you were coming from a point of wanting to genuinely help and I do agree you have been treated quite rudely. I apologise on my front
    Thank you for your apology.

    I agree that it is an unfair situation. I'm just trying to work with how things currently are. And, as it stands, the devs don't seem to pay much attention to the Western side of things outside of content creators and concerts.
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