#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Merrigan]

Oh dont you worry, ill finish the story then unsub again as usual, the jobs are awful in this game across the board the only thing I come back for is the story because I know the jobs will always remain trash, and it will only continue to shift one way by the looks of it which is more homogenization.

Also I wasnt saying my crap should be treated first but the Devs are only showing interest in looking at ALL jobs across the board coming 8.0, and if healers get their rework before Tanks and DPS do you think everyones not gonna kick up a stink over it?

Oh, it's quite possible that there will be protests. MMORPG communities are... Quick to grumble. But in that case, and I'm only speaking from my own personal point of view, I'd have no problem telling them what I told you above: that, in my opinion, reworking the healers is objectively more urgent. In any case, if you refuse to make any changes based on potential reactions, it's simple: you're not making anything new happen in this game.

And I don't think that ‘all jobs suck’, far from it. But that's another discussion.

[Sesera]

Here is a question for those that don’t support this

Would you support changes to the healers if it was only 2 of them

Like say we left DT WHM and SGE alone but then changed AST and SCH to be roughly at a difference in difficulty parity to say WAR vs GNB

What is the justification for all 4 healing jobs being equally easy

I thought to myself why not have like WHM/SCH being easy direct/shield healer and AST/SGE being harder to play.

But you will have a problem here where you either have all healer performing the same but why should you work harder playing AST/SGE for the same result or AST/SGE perform better and WHM/SCH won't get invited to higher content because it's less optimal.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

Personally I don't think one of four healers should be put aside as an "easy" healer. We have 11 DPS jobs and soon 13, some of them can and have been put aside as chill easy jobs. WHM can be "introductory" but should still be expected to Holy mob packs and sustain the party, not fish for freecure in level 90 content while the tank uses their short mit on cooldown.

I do not disagree with the existence of the half asleep roulette runner that just wants in and out with minimum effort, they should just play RPR not SGE. Expectations on DPS players are astronomically low in casual content with the only pressure being community pressure to go faster, we don't need healer and tank expectations to be astronomically low too.

[BismarckBug]

[*]Lack of threat level in nearly all forms of content.
Healers should feel like they have a place in all forms of content. It is understandable that difficulty can't be so great as to bar progression of story-based content. However, innovative means should still be employed to make greater/full use of abilities.

I have to pull you up on this because I have a feeling that you haven't done all forms of content because this general dissatisfaction does not exactly fit the bill in Savage, Savage Criterion and Ultimate content. Unless you are playing in the most optimal setting (most aren't) and are overgeared for the content (applies to Savage, at which point it's not about job design it's about ilvl bruteforcing) then you are straining your cohealer because they are for sure doing GCD healing which you yourself seem to prefer.

Healers do have a place in all forms of content. Warriors being able to heal a dungeon is an outlier and it's not the preferred way of doing it for everyone. If the TOP group clearing without a healer is going to be used as an example then why is anyone still playing healer? Because it's more optimal in every situation.

If Usain Bolt can run 40km/h, what's the point of cars?

[Rehayem]

I have to pull you up on this because I have a feeling that you haven't done all forms of content because this general dissatisfaction does not exactly fit the bill in Savage, Savage Criterion and Ultimate content. Unless you are playing in the most optimal setting (most aren't) and are overgeared for the content (applies to Savage, at which point it's not about job design it's about ilvl bruteforcing) then you are straining your cohealer because they are for sure doing GCD healing which you yourself seem to prefer.

Healers do have a place in all forms of content. Warriors being able to heal a dungeon is an outlier and it's not the preferred way of doing it for everyone. If the TOP group clearing without a healer is going to be used as an example then why is anyone still playing healer? Because it's more optimal in every situation.

If Usain Bolt can run 40km/h, what's the point of cars?

That's a valid point, but I can ask the same what's the point of cars if we have trains/planes? But the issue goes way deeper than just "ultimate cleared without healers". Refer to this thread for a summary of healer issues.

[BismarckBug]

That's a valid point, but I can ask the same what's the point of cars if we have trains/planes? But the issue goes way deeper than just "ultimate cleared without healers". Refer to this thread for a summary of healer issues.

Just so I'm not misunderstanding your point in reference to my final "food for thought" comment, is your analogy that healers are cars in this scenario and others are trains/planes?

[Rehayem]

Just so I'm not misunderstanding your point in reference to my final "food for thought" comment, is your analogy that healers are cars in this scenario and others are trains/planes?

How is using Usain Bolt and a car as an analogy better? Are you saying healers are Usain Bolt but every other role is a car because they're faster? I fail to understand that. If you have nothing constructive to say, at least have the decency to read the thread I linked earlier so you might actually have an understanding what's going on.

[BismarckBug]

How is using Usain Bolt and a car as an analogy better? Are you saying healers are Usain Bolt but every other role is a car because they're faster? I fail to understand that. If you have nothing constructive to say, at least have the decency to read the thread I linked earlier so you might actually have an understanding what's going on.

I just asked you to elaborate on what you meant lol. Why are you lashing out? I'm well-aware of the complaints healers have with the game and the general dissatisfaction, but I don't agree with it myself. My analogy was related to TOP and solo dungeon where "What's the point of healer if you can do it in this niche situation?" equates to "What's the point of using a car if Usain Bolt can run at 40km/h?"

Sort your attitude out, you not wanting to listen to my opinions does not mean I have nothing constructive to say. I've done every form of content and I am satisfied with the state of healing.

[Aravell]

I have to pull you up on this because I have a feeling that you haven't done all forms of content because this general dissatisfaction does not exactly fit the bill in Savage, Savage Criterion and Ultimate content. Unless you are playing in the most optimal setting (most aren't) and are overgeared for the content (applies to Savage, at which point it's not about job design it's about ilvl bruteforcing) then you are straining your cohealer because they are for sure doing GCD healing which you yourself seem to prefer.

I've done all forms of content, from casual dungeons to week 1 savage to on-content ultimates. There is nothing, not a single fight, that stresses your entire kit to the point that you have to meticulously plan everything. The only piece of content where that rings true was week 1 P8S because the DPS check was very tight and we were basically forced to optimise to actually beat phase 1.

I think the only other content I've done that comes close to engaging healing was solohealing E12S in an all BLU party.