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    Player
    Kayokane's Avatar
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    Aluena Mahri
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFcZCEny4x4

    A duty meant to be tackled by 8 players, cleared by only one, on content (no overgearing). Of course, I'd imagine this doesn't count either because 'oh it's just a normal mode raid' like there's some kind of nebulous line in the sand where it's suddenly perfectly acceptable that we can solo stuff as a WAR. Like we're all meant to be completely fine with it as it is, but if a WAR starts being able to solo EX trials, oh THEN it's a problem because THEN it's crossed 'the line'. In which case, I'd love to know where exactly this 'line' is meant to be, because personally, I believe we've crossed that line long long ago

    Now if only I had an hour to watch a 1hr video on how a WAR main meticulously planned his mit rotation to clear P1N. If anyone says that isn't a valid response to the prompt they're wrong.

    This is probably why EVERY boss in Abyssos as some form of Bleed on them, which gave us two of the better fights of the expac for healers (P6 and P8)
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    Ibara Hazuki
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    Excalibur
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFcZCEny4x4

    A duty meant to be tackled by 8 players, cleared by only one, on content (no overgearing). Of course, I'd imagine this doesn't count either because 'oh it's just a normal mode raid' like there's some kind of nebulous line in the sand where it's suddenly perfectly acceptable that we can solo stuff as a WAR. Like we're all meant to be completely fine with it as it is, but if a WAR starts being able to solo EX trials, oh THEN it's a problem because THEN it's crossed 'the line'. In which case, I'd love to know where exactly this 'line' is meant to be, because personally, I believe we've crossed that line long long ago
    Did you do this? Because unless you can do this with little to no practice, it doesn't make your role as healer irrelevant. I don't care that someone who is likely in the top 1% of players can do something. This attempt was 1 hour long, and I imagine it took many more hours of practice to pull this off. This is less efficient than doing it with a full party, the only reason you'd ever do this is to prove that you can. I do think it should be possible to do crazy stuff like this because of how cool it is.
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    Player Mortex's Avatar
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    Rigor Mortex
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ClayyLmao View Post
    Did you do this? Because unless you can do this with little to no practice, it doesn't make your role as healer irrelevant. I don't care that someone who is likely in the top 1% of players can do something. This attempt was 1 hour long, and I imagine it took many more hours of practice to pull this off. This is less efficient than doing it with a full party, the only reason you'd ever do this is to prove that you can. I do think it should be possible to do crazy stuff like this because of how cool it is.
    The man clicks his abilities with the mouse so im pretty sure it took him less attempts then you think. Hardest part is not falling asleep playing war for 1 hour also this normally should not be possibly with fights that are on content. Even wow had this only when you bug abused the snoot out of specific classes and these were fixed fast.
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    Ibara Hazuki
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    The problem is, we don't get to play the role if a WAR is in the party as in your example. The WAR does the role of 'tank' AND 'healer', both healing themselves AND the party. There's no good explanation for why that's possible. Why can a WAR recover someone else's HP? What sense does it make that Nascent Flash can give both the WAR and the targetted ally a Benediction 3 times in its duration (assuming enough enemies are nearby to AOE)? Meanwhile, the actual skill Benediction has a 3min CD.

    There's a difference between 'an ally has a tool that helps make something easier' eg PhysRanged bringing a mit (Samba/Tactician), versus what you're describing with a WAR joining the party (you are instantly 100% unrequired to the party because the WAR can cover all required healing). You call it 'makes my job easier', I call it 'you are being carried and can't even realize it'
    Go into anything harder than a dungeon and rely solely on the Warrior for healing, then come back here and tell me if you still believe what you just said.
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    Meridia Astra
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    Maduin
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ClayyLmao View Post
    Go into anything harder than a dungeon and rely solely on the Warrior for healing, then come back here and tell me if you still believe what you just said.
    I know you said warrior, but it's not specific to warrior that this is about.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k65bhdogQKw&t=0s
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    Ibara Hazuki
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Well then why not give WAR their own leylines and everything else in the game? Just because you like to tab out and watch Netflix does not mean classes should be wantonly homogenized.
    Based, please do give WAR everything, Squeenix.
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    Player Bun_Vivant's Avatar
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    Bun Vivant
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    Halicarnassus
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    Sage Lv 95
    Responding to someone enjoying the laid-back healer life when q'd with a WAR tank:
    Quote Originally Posted by Rozeee View Post
    It is so extremely odd to see people being proud over not playing the game.
    Hey, when I queue for DF as SGE and get a tank and two DPS that are really damn good and we ROMP over the same dungeon that I've had so many noobs and goobs screw up in the past, I enjoy the heck out it! Sure, I'm doing more Dyskrasias than GCD heals, but who care as as long as it's fun?

    HOWEVER, then there's those times when the tank DCs, and the group decides to go on without them until they reconnect.
    That's slower, and not a romp at all. I often have to just plain heal while the DPS do their thing. But I enjoy that too!

    Long ago I was healing in static. It started out fun, but then it began to feel like a job. I was showing up out of obligation, not anticipation.
    So I quit doing that. "Yo ho yo ho, the casual's life for me!"

    And I must enjoy it: why else would I have six characters on two accounts and three worlds waiting for DT at EoC, all of them with at least SGE/WAR/DNC and geared to iL640 or better? I'll be doing DT at least six times, predominately doing the dungeons on SGE except when my spouse (who has five geared EoC characters with at least iL640 WHM/WAR/DNC) wants to WHM them.

    Y'all enjoy your strike. We'll happily pick up the slack (and the comms, and the in-need bonuses) while you're gone.
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    Shi Corvus
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    Louisoix
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    What this sounds like to me is that any JP player in support of the protest would have to do it in silence or while treading very carefully. I know they are already aware of ##FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE, so it makes one wonder how many of them there are and are rooting for its success.
    My friend, I don't think you should give credence to people who are willing to spout the most heinous stuff about a whole country if you want your strike keep whatever goodwill it has left.
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ShiCorvus View Post
    My friend, I don't think you should give credence to people who are willing to spout the most heinous stuff about a whole country if you want your strike keep whatever goodwill it has left.
    Credence was not my intention. Only curiosity. Don't even try to paint my contributions with anything other than face value. And what are you talking about "whatever goodwill it has left"? I do not operate outside the manifesto I have provided, meaning that I only have the best intentions in mind. Not only for the game's healers, but the game over all.
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    Player Bun_Vivant's Avatar
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    Bun Vivant
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    Halicarnassus
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeGuy22 View Post
    are you comparing people wanting healers to be more engaging to antisemitism
    Clearly not.

    “Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?” Ellen Ripley, Aliens

    [Edit: that said, the japanaphobia we've seen here, exclusively from the strikers, could be compared to antisemitism, but that'd get ugly fast, so let's not.]

    [Edit 2: that said, I've spent several weeks touring Japan, and it's one of my favorite places -- especially the parts outside Tokyo. The culture and the people are marvelous. But I'm born and raised American, far too much so to be successful living in Japan (or a lot of other countries). That not a condemnation of them or of me, it's just the way it is.]

    [Edit 3: on a similar note, not all MMO players should expect to be happy "living" in Eorzia. Again, that's not a condemnation of anyone, it's just the way the universe it. Fortunately, there's lots of other choices, and it's easy to migrate.]
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