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  1. #9401
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    Azurarok's Avatar
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    Medim Azurarok
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    Siren
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I thought BW was bad but honestly guardian is worse for balance in anything above dungeons because it’s straight up basically a second invuln

    Even savage TB’s can barely do anything to guardian. What the hell were they thinking
    My tank IL's not particularly high and I've only been OT in M1S and M2S so far, but I've been using Rampart + Bulwark + Sheltron against TBs just kinda out of habit. I guess I should be using Guardian + Sheltron (or maybe even just Guardian?)

    That said, nothing in normal content or extremes hit hard enough to make me really think much about what mit I'm using as long as they're actually being used. Mitigation's everyone's responsibility now but it just makes things harder on the healer when someone slips up. And yet the blame still tends to end up on them anyways so I'm not surprised it doesn't seem like it's done much for the healer population
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  2. #9402
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    Tigore's Avatar
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    Tigore Collson
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    Ultros
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    White Mage Lv 100
    It still sounds like you are using your cooldowns decently, Azurarok. The Guardian + Holy Sheltron would probably just be an alternate combo to use for the next TB / Wall to Wall pull... If it happens often enough within a minute. If you are taunt swapping to only take a TB once every 2 ish minutes, it probably wouldn't hurt to try the Guardian combo first. Since it should be your best mitigation combo now.
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  3. #9403
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I thought BW was bad but honestly guardian is worse for balance in anything above dungeons because it’s straight up basically a second invuln

    Even savage TB’s can barely do anything to guardian. What the hell were they thinking
    In the one buster that's shared in M3S for a WAR/PLD comp, the WAR starts melting on the 3rd hit while the PLD just barely gets tickled between Guardian and Bulwark, it's pretty ridiculous.
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  4. #9404
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    Maltothoris's Avatar
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Also, this isn't even factoring other comp factors like whm aquaveil and benesion or astro's exaltation, bole, spire and celestial intersection. Which is actually another point of contention is still to this day, the defensive assets can be skewed between classes.
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  5. #9405
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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    In the one buster that's shared in M3S for a WAR/PLD comp, the WAR starts melting on the 3rd hit while the PLD just barely gets tickled between Guardian and Bulwark, it's pretty ridiculous.
    It's funny, some of us asked for SB design back and with M3S we got one aspect of it: Warrior being able to Invuln 3 out of the 5 Tankbusters in the fight (leaving one to be invulned by the other tank, and one to be shared)

    Not exactly the aspect of SB design I was hoping for, but still funny to note
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  6. #9406
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    Alahard's Avatar
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    Alahard Highwind
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    Exodus
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    In the one buster that's shared in M3S for a WAR/PLD comp, the WAR starts melting on the 3rd hit while the PLD just barely gets tickled between Guardian and Bulwark, it's pretty ridiculous.
    In my group I just solo soak the entire M3S tankbuster on PLD. Our Drk is a glorified dps on M3S. We can run 5 dps if role targeting wasn't an issue.
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  7. #9407
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    Maltothoris's Avatar
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    The sad thing too is that of all the fights, M3S is still the hardest hitting out of all of them. All the other fights have stupidly long sections where there is little to no heavy out going party damage going out.
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  8. #9408
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    Kacho_Nacho's Avatar
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    It's funny, some of us asked for SB design back and with M3S we got one aspect of it: Warrior being able to Invuln 3 out of the 5 Tankbusters in the fight (leaving one to be invulned by the other tank, and one to be shared)

    Not exactly the aspect of SB design I was hoping for, but still funny to note
    Hopefully, it's not a case of Square's seeming inability to understand what their English-speaking customers want. We say, "we want healers to contribute to the party's success." and Square responds with "We hear your complaints that healing is too complex..."
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  9. #9409
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    GartredZW's Avatar
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    Gartred Runecaster
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    Diabolos
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Anyone else in a constant cycle of:
    "I'm probably just being dramatic. Healers aren't that bad. I used to love healing."
    *Joins an expert roulette or extreme trial*
    *Broil, Broil, Broil, Broil, Broil, Broil, Broil, Broil, Broil, Broil, Broil, Biolysis*
    "yep. it's that bad."
    *2 weeks pass*
    *repeat*
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  10. #9410
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    Hyperia's Avatar
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    Aileen Pureheart
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    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho View Post
    Hopefully, it's not a case of Square's seeming inability to understand what their English-speaking customers want. We say, "we want healers to contribute to the party's success." and Square responds with "We hear your complaints that healing is too complex..."
    I firmly believe that SE is aware of the situation, and right now, they intend on making changes in 8.0, but how much they make will diminish the closer we get to 8.0 because its a political hand grenade that they dont want to be stuck holding.
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