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    Kacho_Nacho's Avatar
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    Wow! Gemina's OP is up to 198 likes and that's on a maintenance night!

    Thank you for your support!

    Dissatisfied with the state of healers? Feel like our concerns have not been addressed despite years of feedback?

    Come join the #FFIVHEALERSTRIKE at our Discord.

    https://discord.com/invite/jeDzvBf74X

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    Last edited by Kacho_Nacho; 06-11-2024 at 04:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Why should the dps community get an apology for longer queues? They can just reroll and become a healer. I hope they have spare keyboard buttons though. One of them might need to be replaced regularly lmao
    Then the the strike would pointless as they would be replacing all the healers that drop the role. So SE would not have to bother fixing healers cause all those complaining would no longer matter cause their dps now.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    Then the the strike would pointless as they would be replacing all the healers that drop the role. So SE would not have to bother fixing healers cause all those complaining would no longer matter cause their dps now.
    That’s the point, we all know the DPS mains won’t reroll as healers because even they know healers are crap, they just don’t care because it’s not their role and if they do pick them up they will likely join the people complaining because healers aren’t fun
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Neoyoshi Kaligawa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bole View Post
    I want DPS players to have to play healer and suffer what we do.
    I don't know if that's the right type of attitude to have about a core problem that really seems to be about people simply losing enjoyment; at least I think that's what's going on here.

    I know I'm out of my depth in this conversation, but I do know what I'm capable of, and I'm not a gamer who has the multitasking proficiencies a healer requires. I know this because I've tried it before years ago in World of Warcraft, and I was terrible at it.
    A person should play what they enjoy and have fun with, not what they think the game or others require of them, and someone who is having fun with their job in FFXIV is very likely going to be good at it.

    Healing does not look fun to me, it looks like busy work, it looks stressful, and I don't pay 36 bucks(sub+all retainers+premium app) a month on this game to stress myself out.
    People who heal in this game are obviously good at it, which means they are also enjoying it, otherwise they wouldn't put themselves through that type of stress and anxiety, and i try to always keep this in mind when i'm in a dungeon, i always try to stay out of damage as much as possible, i try to stay within the healers range as much as possible, and i try my best to always give them commendations. I do what I can to not take for granted the effort others are putting into their duties.

    So I don't think looking for others to experience the unique situations, anxieties and hurdles of another is going to communicate whatever 'this' whole thread discussion is really about, which... I'm not sure it's even going to materialize in-game, and if it does, i'm not sure i'll see it, but i have no desire to be dismissive of it, i just don't know what this is really going to accomplish other than annoy people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neoyoshi View Post
    Healing does not look fun to me, it looks like busy work, it looks stressful, and I don't pay 36 bucks(sub+all retainers+premium app) a month on this game to stress myself out.
    It's honestly a lot less than you would think, especially at a casual level. Just like a tank you never stack mitigations outside of rare situations, and the only time you generally have to worry about someone else is if they've dome something stupid and a single button will usually fix it.
    Sage in the average dungeon trash pull, for example, will have you just rotate Kerachole, Taurochole+Physis if needed, Kerachole and maybe Holos if the group's DPS is slow. You use one of Haima or Panhaima, then the other on the next double pull. Then you just spam Dyskrasia, occasionally hitting Phelgma as it comes off CD.
    On the bosses you just Kerachole or Holos at the same points you'd use whatever tank group mitigation you have, then follow up with Ixochole, Physis, or Pneuma to top people off. Then you just spam Dosis, occasionally hitting Eukrasia to turn it into your dot.
    Outside of tossing Kardia out at the start of the run and Taurochole and Haima as needed, I never even have to bother targeting anyone in the party. Kerachole and Physis will keep any non suicidal DPS from dying without me even needing to acknowledge that they exist or have taken damage.

    You have a ton of tools to heal, so it can certainly look overwhelming from that angle, and yet you only need 7 of them because they refuse to design fights to actually need you to make full use of your kit outside of the highest end stuff. That's the major complaint healers have, is that we don't have the tools to engage with the game and the tools we do have aren't needed.
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    Last edited by EusisLandale; 06-11-2024 at 06:02 PM.

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    Player Kathryn's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bole View Post
    I want DPS players to have to play healer and suffer what we do.
    Suffer? im quite enjoying it, im looking forward to doing DF's later on with my SGE, it's so freaking chill.
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    Aster Mh'avi
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    Goblin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bole View Post
    I want DPS players to have to play healer and suffer what we do.
    I'm not picking on you specifically, but I've been seeing this stance a lot, but what you and others are saying is subjective. Your experiences of healing/clearing content as healer, could be COMPLETELY different compared to others.
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    Then the the strike would pointless as they would be replacing all the healers that drop the role. So SE would not have to bother fixing healers cause all those complaining would no longer matter cause their dps now.
    DPS mains trying out healer on a large scale? I would welcome that. I predict they would find it quite boring and/or unfun however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    Then the the strike would pointless as they would be replacing all the healers that drop the role. So SE would not have to bother fixing healers cause all those complaining would no longer matter cause their dps now.
    It's not pointless if it ends up with strikers having fun as dps and tanks and those who have enjoyed all the engaging rotations for years doing the one-button chores for all of Dawntrail. That's still a win. Although I fully expect them to join the strike after some first hand healing experiences, which will further escalate the amount of feedback.
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