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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
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    Strike or not, we are players who are choosing not to play a role, as is our right. If other players are inconvenienced by this choice? Well, they won't, didn't you see how many people are adopting a "Bye, no one will miss you" attitude in this very thread? Clearly they don't need us to queue, so I don't know why you're here claiming we're disrupting anyone.

    Also, "not reacting positively" is very different from "being an arse". Some people are clearly dipping into the latter category. Are you saying it's ok to be rude to people and then justify it with "Well, you can hardly expect me to react positively!"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sesera View Post
    You are the minority
    Hmm yes, the "yOu ArE tHe MiNoRiTy" argument, my favourite. Clearly this is a very provable argument considering that everyone likes to use it? Surely you have the hard data to back you up, hmm?

    And now you're going to either not reply or deflect with "SE has the data".
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    Last edited by Aravell; 06-11-2024 at 03:30 PM.

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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Siren
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post

    No one in WoW decided to organize a strike.

    They just quit the game on their own instead.
    There's effectively no difference in this context. I've never even played WoW, but watched it tumble down simply due to players banding together and agreeing on a mutual course of action (to stop playing). It wasn't like it was some random coincidence and no one talked about it. It was talked about on every platform extensively and people aired their grievances with one another.

    The way you describe it, it's as though one person left at a time and then they eventually all met up and streamers started making content like "Hey wow we all unsubbed I guess, let's start covering this". No, that is not what happened at all.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 06-11-2024 at 10:25 PM.

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    AnimaAnimus's Avatar
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    Cynric Zerr
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    Sargatanas
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I do enjoy that when you see someone saying they like the changes and look at their account, they exclusively do MSQ casual content and literally nothing else.
    Not everyone on here has all their characters listed. A lot of ppl come on here on their alts, which they may not be running through ultimates, or even extremes. So you cannot really gauge what a person does or does not do by the character they use for the forums
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I don’t see how people enjoy the healers in the MSQ either like ignoring being scared of the harder solo duties healers in the MSQ are just ungodly boring

    Everyone hates those solo duties where you play a truncated kit of another class by playing as that character (Alphinaud, alisaie, graha, thancred, hein, Y’shtola etc) well those kits are on average more interesting than a healers kit

    Longer solo duties playing as the WOL even on very easy are pathetic
    -vs Zenos
    -the WOL portion of the zero duty in garlemald
    -the WOL half of the duty you play as y’shtola
    -when you have to play as urianger

    Even the MSQ is crap as a healer
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Percibel Theren
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    Zodiark
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I don’t see how people enjoy the healers in the MSQ either like ignoring being scared of the harder solo duties healers in the MSQ are just ungodly boring

    Everyone hates those solo duties where you play a truncated kit of another class by playing as that character (Alphinaud, alisaie, graha, thancred, hein, Y’shtola etc) well those kits are on average more interesting than a healers kit

    Longer solo duties playing as the WOL even on very easy are pathetic
    -vs Zenos
    -the WOL portion of the zero duty in garlemald
    -the WOL half of the duty you play as y’shtola
    -when you have to play as urianger

    Even the MSQ is crap as a healer
    That's why I, a former die-hard healer main, have always done MSQ on a DPS and switched to healer for dungeons. The MSQ fights are unbearable as a healer.
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    KisaiTenshi's Avatar
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    Kisa Kisa
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    Excalibur
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by PercibelTheren View Post
    That's why I, a former die-hard healer main, have always done MSQ on a DPS and switched to healer for dungeons. The MSQ fights are unbearable as a healer.
    See, I've done All MSQ since ... oh Haukke, as Healer, because back during release 2.0 there was no roulette. You either had to find people standing outside the dungeon or just click the duty and wait, sometimes as long as an hour for a queue to pop. Meanwhile, Healer queue was instant. So was tank queue.

    All the roulettes wound up doing is getting people who don't want to play healer, to play healer and tank, to complain about how boring healing is because it's not a DPS, or complain about tanking not doing enough damage. For the last few years though, the roulette's have generally looked like "needs tank" except for alliance raid which is the only queue that ever switches to "needs healer" and "needs DPS", all the rest of the queues will alternate between tank and healer, and never DPS.

    2.0 MSQ stuff, even the solo stuff, was miserable as a healer. Absolutely awful. Because the game designed the MSQ to be played as DPS. The healer and tank would not have these DPS stances for those solo duties if that was not the case. When they finally did away with Cleric stance, it stopped being "extremely miserable" but you're still looking at 5-10 times longer to do solo stuff, and good grief are the solo Zenos fights tedious.

    The entire reason I leveled scholar/summoner was so I would have the option to switch to summoner IF the content was too hard to do as healer, owing to how the MSQ was in 2.0. I've never "needed to" but the option was always on the table.
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    Ohgr Teaurelin
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    lol

    very funny good troll
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    Kekira Mizuka
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    Halicarnassus
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    Summoner Lv 96
    I just want to add my voice in support. Both of my nations have been constantly getting shafted. I have played SMN/SCH since HW and it's insulting. SCH has been completely torn apart with the support side of it being carved away when Selene was first attacked by removing her special abilities and we lost Cleric Stance, then we lost Miasma and Bane, and they they killed Selene altogether. I was hopeful with SMN they would build on the fresh slate, but the only engaging thing we got was a Searing Light follow-up ability and a re-skinned Bahamut. Add to that that dungeon trash and especially bosses do next to no damage or punishment for sloppy tactics and it's like, why do they keep giving us all these abilities that in 80% of content you'll never use. When it comes to job design they've gotten so scared of backlash that they've unintentionally removed the challenge that makes a game fun and engaging.
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    Sorren Yunakaiya
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    I unfortunately have static commitments through Eden Ulti that will keep me from observing the strike initially, but once the watered-down-husk of what AST was is leveled up I won't be healing in DF or PF content. I've been a healer main for years and my tolerance for being disappointed over and over again can't go any lower after Astro's 'rework'
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    Rhel'a Tayuun
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    Sargatanas
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    Culinarian Lv 83
    Chiming in with my support! I will likely level AST to level 100 then stop playing it since they have decided to remove the only somewhat fun part of the job. I joined in EW so I didn't really get to experience any past expansions of AST. I have felt the dissatisfaction among the community for a time now. It really saddens me to see SE has not been listening to anyone for a long time now.
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    I love the men in this game

    I finally return to the game! Current goal: getting all my jobs to 90

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