#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Maltothoris]

The other thing that about aldo deploy is that it's is enhanced more so by single target buffs. Zoe could onyl be buffed by things like mantra and nature's minne. Recitation can get buffed by protraction, karsis if you have a sge, thrill of battle and so much other stuff.

[Supersnow845]

Exactly, SCH has three GCD buffs and only one of them really has a strong secondary purpose when used in an optimised situation (illumination as dissipation as emergency aetherflow stacks is really more a recovery tool). SGE has zero functionally free GCD amplifiers

So not only is the initial shield almost twice as powerful (and has more pure healing attached which also benefits from the amplifiers) SCH can buff it more at a lower cost.

[ForsakenRoe]

The other thing with SCH is, since a Crit is 1.5x (ish) with our current gear, it means that Recitation forcing a Crit when used on Succor, instead of an Adloquium, is functionally very similar to Zoe's effect on E.Prognosis' barrier size. Or in other words, if you don't need one massive shield via Deploy-Adlo, SCH has access to Zoe-E.Prog, over twice as often, due to Deploy and Zoe filling a similar role (and both being 90s), but Recitation-Succor combo is a 60s CD that also provide that same level of protection (as Zoe-E.Prog)

[Azurarok]

It’ll never not be funny to me knowing that each of WHM’s Glare cast has about the same effective potency as WAR’s Fell Cleave in those times.

This sounds weirdly similar to what I said of RDM/SMN's balancing in EW. Dumbing it down in ShB made healer dps seem too easy to do compared to tanks, so instead of returning the damaging tools they just lowered healer damage output.

[miraidensetsu]

I genuinely have no idea how people feel any sort of power in WHM

I don't feel powerful as WHM. The thing is that I feel even more powerless when playing as AST.

For me, AST works better at harder group content. And even for Ultimates, a WHM can dish out sufficient healing. Alas, any healer can do it.

Maybe it’s just because I’ve been a shield healer main for longer than 14 had been around but WHM feels like the biggest waste of a party slot.

Maybe you're just toxic.

Maybe you just don't know how to play with WHM. Nor even with a WHM as co-healer. And in that case, the waste of party slot is that one you're occupying.

It just doesn’t DO anything. Any meaningful heal check in this game is a mit check and WHM provides less mit than PCT or MCH let alone the other healers.

A shield healer that doesn't want to mitigate. Oh, God.

I had my share of non-mitigating shield healer.

Sure it can make HP bars “go up” faster than the other three but when is that ever actually a concern in this game. Not to mention glare 3’s animation is nowhere near as impactful as the stone family.

[QUOTE=Supersnow845;6643681]IDK but u feel completely useless on WHM.

I feel useless as AST. And it's because that class didn't clicked with me. It's too much work to do the same thing I do as a WHM.

And as WHM I can be more useful than you and your alleged "14 years". At least I can adapt to any co-healer.

I just have to stand around doing near nothing and hoping the other party members will keep me alive so then I can throw out some pointless heals the other healers could do just as easily as me despite it being my “niche”

And that's why YOU are the waste of party slot. Not the poor WHM that's stuck with you.

Like it feels terrible having no advantage

But WHM is getting clears anyways. Some of top 10 runs on that forbidden site is with WHM. So, maybe those advantages can be kinda overestimated?

[AmiableApkallu]

I don't feel powerful as WHM. The thing is that I feel even more powerless when playing as AST.

I'd put my own feelings this way:

In terms of dealing damage, I feel AST is less powerful than WHM. The visual and sound effects don't suggest "hard hits", and the N% damage buffs feel like because there's no real feedback to them.

In terms of healing, I feel AST is more powerful than WHM. AST has an answer for almost anything WHM can do, and often still in a single button that's at worst equal and at best strictly better. The only thing WHM does better than AST (and the other healers) is restoring HP right now and on demand — which takes something approaching the 14 minute "all the DPS have perma Brink-of-Death" P7N run I had the pleasure of doing, or maybe the very occasional P10N Harrowing Hell-like mechanic, to really shine.

[Supersnow845]

I don't feel powerful as WHM. The thing is that I feel even more powerless when playing as AST.

For me, AST works better at harder group content. And even for Ultimates, a WHM can dish out sufficient healing. Alas, any healer can do it.



Maybe you're just toxic.

Maybe you just don't know how to play with WHM. Nor even with a WHM as co-healer. And in that case, the waste of party slot is that one you're occupying.



A shield healer that doesn't want to mitigate. Oh, God.

I had my share of non-mitigating shield healer.

Sure it can make HP bars “go up” faster than the other three but when is that ever actually a concern in this game. Not to mention glare 3’s animation is nowhere near as impactful as the stone family.


IDK but u feel completely useless on WHM.

I feel useless as AST. And it's because that class didn't clicked with me. It's too much work to do the same thing I do as a WHM.

And as WHM I can be more useful than you and your alleged "14 years". At least I can adapt to any co-healer.



And that's why YOU are the waste of party slot. Not the poor WHM that's stuck with you.



But WHM is getting clears anyways. Some of top 10 runs on that forbidden site is with WHM. So, maybe those advantages can be kinda overestimated?

I have no idea why you just randomly built this sort of belief around that point that isn’t true. Like I can’t have hurt your feelings about WHM that bad can I

Like I said WHM barely does anything on the mitigation front and you somehow thought that means i don’t mitigate as the shield healer? Or that I don’t know how WHM works and I’m somehow the toxic one? Like why am I the toxic one for not seeing potential in WHM? Just because you think your class is good doesn’t mean I have to think it’s good as a potential partner, that doesn’t make me a bad potential partner Like where did you even make that connection? Or that somehow I’m inflexible as a healer when the problem is simply WHM doesn’t have any tools to functionally bend around because it has no tools that AST doesn’t do better. How am I supposed to bend around “ease of play”. Your ease of play doesn’t change how I approach my job, if anything losing CU and the potential cushion of neutral so you can play an easier class makes MY job as the shield healer harder

WHM isn’t bad enough to be unable to clear, it’s not good enough to be terribly good at it though. As lorika points out it’s ONE singular major advantage is white hole and we haven’t had a white hole mechanic in 7 years

[miraidensetsu]

Just read again your prior responde about how you think WHM is a waste of party slot and will understand why you were toxic.

It's OK you feel underpowered with WHM. But at least you have to assume that it's because your lack of affinity with WHM or because you just don't know how to play it, not because it's a "waste of party slot".

And I don't know you've noticed, but all healers are bad right now. All of them, not just WHM. All healers are underpowered and made futile in most contents. All healers can be switched out for a WAR, PLD, RDM or even MNK depending on the content.

And there IS a reason players who mains any healer, not just WHM, made this strike to begin with. There IS a reason healer mains is angry with S-E.

[Supersnow845]

Just read again your prior responde about how you think WHM is a waste of party slot and will understand why you were toxic.

It's OK you feel underpowered with WHM. But at least you have to assume that it's because your lack of affinity with WHM or because you just don't know how to play it, not because it's a "waste of party slot".

And I don't know you've noticed, but all healers are bad right now. All of them, not just WHM. All healers are underpowered and made futile in most contents. All healers can be switched out for a WAR, PLD, RDM or even MNK depending on the content.

And there IS a reason players who mains any healer, not just WHM, made this strike to begin with. There IS a reason healer mains is angry with S-E.

I said it’s a waste of a party slot because it doesn’t have any sort of niche or advantage the other healers don’t do better in the last 7 years, not because I’m being personally vindictive against WHM, it’s not toxic to say that WHM is in a position where it feels like a waste because every other healer is just out and out better than it. Being easy isn’t a niche because SGE also fits into that and isn’t completely devoid of a use case. This is nothing to do with my personal experiences playing on WHM which I can sum up with it being weak, this isn’t me not knowing how to play WHM, this is WHM not having a gameplay niche the game takes advantage of

You don’t need to preach to me about the nature of the strike, scroll back to page 1, I have a post on there, I’ve been here since day 1, I know the state of healers in the wider game, I’m discussing WHM’s position relative to the other healers, against the wider jobs the only healer that still retains a useful niche is SCH because of its mitigation but SCH having a chokehold on the meta is nothing new

[miraidensetsu]

I said it’s a waste of a party slot because it doesn’t have any sort of niche

Here you're being straight up toxic.

or advantage the other healers don’t do better in the last 7 years,

At least on damage, WHM does it better than SCH and SGE, according to "that" website. And even AST needs to count the damage given to other players via buffs for its numbers be higher than WHM. AST is dead last if those buffs is not counted.

not because I’m being personally vindictive against WHM,

Its because you don't know anything about WHM.

it’s not toxic to say that WHM is in a position where it feels like a waste because every other healer is just out and out better than it.

And that's on you. Sorry. But that's a common failure that META sheeps like to do. Specially those who likes to be toxic.

Being easy isn’t a niche because SGE also fits into that and isn’t completely devoid of a use case. This is nothing to do with my personal experiences playing on WHM which I can sum up with it being weak, this isn’t me not knowing how to play WHM, this is WHM not having a gameplay niche the game takes advantage of

Requiring less planning is pretty valuable to chaotic situations. Such as PUGs, blind prog, trap parties, etc.

You don’t need to preach to me about the nature of the strike, scroll back to page 1, I have a post on there, I’ve been here since day 1, I know the state of healers in the wider game, I’m discussing WHM’s position relative to the other healers, against the wider jobs the only healer that still retains a useful niche is SCH because of its mitigation but SCH having a chokehold on the meta is nothing new

I think I need to remember you that this is a healer strike, not WHM strike. And I think I need to remember you that all healers are more or less homogenized, without many differences.

Do you think you're useless against a raidwide that takes ~100% HP when playing WHM, even knowing that there will be that attack? While you cry on your uselessness, I just save Temperance and Divine Caress for that. And after that raidwide, I can just PI > Rapture > Medica 3 to top off party. As WHM.

I could use more options to do raid-wide mitigation? Definitely yes. The options I do have is too few? Yes. I'm left out praying someone else would mitigate for me at some raidwide I know that it'll come? Hell NO. But I'll have to plan carefully.

FYI:

Temperance - Increases healing magic potency by 20%, while reducing damage taken by self and all party members within a radius of 50 yalms by 10%.

Divine Caress - Creates a barrier around self and all party members near you that absorbs damage equivalent to a heal of 400 potency.

There. An AoE shield AND a mit on WHM. It's not good, CD is way too big (and shield diration is too low). But you can actually save a run where there is a raid-wide with 100% damage.