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    Gurgeh's Avatar
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    Enceladus Orbilander
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    Don't know much about healing really, but they should start with getting rid of RDM's dualcast infinite instant rez.
    I'd been playing for ages before finding out "what?!"
    I assumed it wouldn't work on Res because surely that would be crazy?!
    Your most powerful healer is not a healer? Nahhh... coudln't be.
    i was kind of shocked now I think about it.
    I'm surprised I haven't heard more talk about that.
    That seems like an almost bigger slap in the face than healing not being needed.

    We'd have WAY more wipes on casual content, instantly, which I would massively welcome. Because that content has room to wipe a lot more from the Zero that it does at at the moment.
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    Last edited by Gurgeh; 11-01-2024 at 03:48 AM.

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    Alice Rivers
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    White Mage Lv 100
    There is nothing wrong with RDM's raise, or SMN's for that matter, I don't understand why people hate them so much. If anything I wish more people used them, it makes salvaging a really bad run without spending the LB3 that much easier and they don't invalidate my role like WAR does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers View Post
    There is nothing wrong with RDM's raise, or SMN's for that matter, I don't understand why people hate them so much. If anything I wish more people used them, it makes salvaging a really bad run without spending the LB3 that much easier and they don't invalidate my role like WAR does.
    That's cool and good to know. Like I say I don't know healing. I can think of lots of boring OP Alliances (includes EW now) that really should have wiped but for the RDM's. REALLY should have wiped. But if there are bigger fish to fry than RDM then do start elsewhere.

    Let's face it WAR is the issue here. Just delete it!
    #DELETEWAR #WARSSUCK #NOTAPROPERTANKWAR #PLDHEROES
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    Xynnel Valeroyant
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    Balmung
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    My guess for the dislike of SMN/RDM raise is strictly because the last thing a healer is really needed for is LB3 and being able to recover a situation. RDM and SMN feel like they're stepping on the healer role simply because the way things are these raises don't feel like they're supplementary, like they are helping. They feel like they are taking something away.

    90% of the time a RDM VerRaises with dualcast I genuinely do did not need their help. I have SwiftCast up and I am beyond bored yet despite I have nothing to do... you "do my job for me" when you had no reason to.

    See what I mean now? I don't have a problem with the raises much like I don't have a problem with tanks being able to heal themselves. It works out in other games. It just doesn't work out here. Not any more.
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    I'm tired of being told to wait for post-patches and expansions for fixes and increased healing requirements that are never coming. Healers are not fun in all forms of content like all jobs should be, they're replaced by tanks and dps due to low healing requirements and their dps kit is small for 0 reason, when in the past we had more options and handled things just fine. I refuse to play healer in roulette come DT. I refuse to heal EXs, I refuse to go into Savage, and I am boycotting Ultimate.

    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASkellington View Post
    My guess for the dislike of SMN/RDM raise is strictly because the last thing a healer is really needed for is LB3 and being able to recover a situation. RDM and SMN feel like they're stepping on the healer role simply because the way things are these raises don't feel like they're supplementary, like they are helping. They feel like they are taking something away.

    90% of the time a RDM VerRaises with dualcast I genuinely do did not need their help. I have SwiftCast up and I am beyond bored yet despite I have nothing to do... you "do my job for me" when you had no reason to.

    See what I mean now? I don't have a problem with the raises much like I don't have a problem with tanks being able to heal themselves. It works out in other games. It just doesn't work out here. Not any more.
    myself, I dont mind RDM raises, as for SMN, in my experience most SMN dont even have raise on their bar.

    I dont have a problem mostly with tanks and dps having a self heal.... its when we start talking about an AOE heal on a tank or dps... or heals that they can splash off on another that are better than a healer can do, or even self heals that mean they become essentially invincible... thats where a problem starts. its not being OP.. its just being poorly designed. no job should be functionally invincible in a multiplayer game.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASkellington View Post
    My guess for the dislike of SMN/RDM raise is strictly because the last thing a healer is really needed for is LB3 and being able to recover a situation. RDM and SMN feel like they're stepping on the healer role simply because the way things are these raises don't feel like they're supplementary, like they are helping. They feel like they are taking something away.

    90% of the time a RDM VerRaises with dualcast I genuinely do did not need their help. I have SwiftCast up and I am beyond bored yet despite I have nothing to do... you "do my job for me" when you had no reason to.

    See what I mean now? I don't have a problem with the raises much like I don't have a problem with tanks being able to heal themselves. It works out in other games. It just doesn't work out here. Not any more.
    There's also another thing they 'took away from me' by dualcasting raise: the 8 seconds cast time. It feels GREAT to be rewarded of my knowledge over the mechanic/fight because then I know when I can stand still to raise. Instant raises have no such nuance.

    Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if one day they gave us 2nd charge of swiftcast because apparently having to hardcast raise is somehow a bane to their existence.
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    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 11-01-2024 at 07:27 AM.

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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if one day they gave us 2nd charge of swiftcast because apparently having to hardcast raise is somehow a bane to their existence.
    Honestly, a 2nd charge of Swiftcast would probably improve the PF experience, most healers seem to be allergic to casting a spell that takes longer than 3 seconds. I've seen a fair share of parties wipe because both healers decide that it's more important to spam their fillers for 26 seconds and then wipe to the incoming body check rather than spend 8 out of those 26 entirely free seconds to raise the one dead person.

    Regarding the caster raises though, the only offensive thing I find about it is when they choose to lose damage to raise when it's the first death in the fight and both healers still have Swiftcast up. Always let the healers raise first unless it's one/both healer(s) that died.
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    Lily D'kryl
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    Regarding the caster raises though, the only offensive thing I find about it is when they choose to lose damage to raise when it's the first death in the fight and both healers still have Swiftcast up. Always let the healers raise first unless it's one/both healer(s) that died.
    It's kinda weird. I've met quite a few healers in the past that refused to raise, when i was on RDM, because somehow that's "my" job.
    When a) it costs me a GCD, b) costs me mana gain and c) it's still a non trivial chunk of MP.
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    Sometimes rumors are just... rumors.

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