#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[WaxSw]

The biggest issue i see with Healers is literally the fact you cant really do anything much with it if you are real for a second.

You are split between People which like the 1 or 2 DPS Rotation and People which dont like it, so what will you do? Most People which dont like 1 2 will still play Healer, while people which dont want a complex rotation or anything will probably quit, so it will end in a vacuum where even more healer are missing.

So the best way in my opinion would be not to change ALL healer but maybe the half of it, give ast/sch a more complex rotation and keep sage/whm easier

and i talked to a lot of high end healer and tbh none of them actually wanted to have a complex rotation, they are fine with 1-2 so i really dont know how you would change it to make everyone happy

I genuinely don't know what healers you asked. I've been raiding for over half a decade, most of it as healer and have very rarely found a high end healer who was happy about the state of healers past Shb. We need more, no matter how anyone spins it, having the "reward" of good gameplay devolve into a spam of a single button is not good design by any standard and what it makes it worse is that we used to have MUCH more to do.

If people don't want to put the effort to learn a basic rotation of maybe 2-4 dots that can be easily managed with a little of experience, let them spam their 1 button but DO NOT gimp the design to cater for people who don't want to put even a minimal effort. Is like a car, let the people who only want to go at 40 kmh go at that speed but don't cap the speed of anyone else to that when we can go up to 120kmh safely

[Somnolence]

I genuinely don't know what healers you asked. I've been raiding for over half a decade, most of it as healer and have very rarely found a high end healer who was happy about the state of healers past Shb.

Its simple, a lot of them did not play healers before ShB.

Or are universalists and don't care about healer role in particular, there are quite a few people I know that picked the role for the statics.

How much enjoyment they actually get from playing this role? Its not for me to guess, but I haven't seen them complaining, except about the current healer BiS.

I can genuinely say that not a single healer I know cares about this #ffxivhealerstrike. Does not mean much, its just anecdotal evidence, probably related that most people I am acquitted with started raiding past SB.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

My personal anecdote: asking people with “do you want a complex rotation?” usually ends up with a “No” or “Maybe” because they are given no context of how complex said rotation is—or that the moment they read the word ‘rotation’ their mind immediately go straight to 1-2-3 styled rotation.

Give them a little bit of examples, usually their answer becomes something along the line of: “I don’t want meaningless 1 button rotation.” which only reveals that there is some degree of dissatisfaction from today’s buttons.

[lolnotacat]

My personal anecdote: asking people with “do you want a complex rotation?” usually ends up with a “No” or “Maybe” because they are given no context of how complex said rotation is—or that the moment they read the word ‘rotation’ their mind immediately go straight to 1-2-3 styled rotation.

Give them a little bit of examples, usually their answer becomes something along the line of: “I don’t want meaningless 1 button rotation.” which only reveals that there is some degree of dissatisfaction from today’s buttons.

I can really only speak for myself, but the reason I play healer is because I dislike how DPS rotations work in this game. Do the dance, hit the buttons in the same correct order over and over, repeat until the boss is dead. That just doesn't appeal to me, which is why I worry when people say they want healers to have an involved DPS rotation.

When I first started playing in 2.5, I was on the verge of quitting because I hadn't found any DPS job that appealed to me after trying them all. I decided to gave WHM a try and it satisfied what I was looking for. It had an actual toolkit, where the skills had a purpose and could be used in different scenarios. To me, healers should be using their toolkits constantly to mitigate damage, status effects, or shielding and when then they have the opportunity to DPS, it should be considered a bonus. Now a slightly more involved "rotation" would be OK, but once again, we should have better toolkits. For example; maybe if Benison is completely popped, it makes the next Glare an instacast or it gives us another DOT that can be applied in conjunction with Dia, that way we (and the group) are rewarded when we're healing and shielding.

[Tint]

My personal anecdote: asking people with “do you want a complex rotation?” usually ends up with a “No” or “Maybe” because they are given no context of how complex said rotation is—or that the moment they read the word ‘rotation’ their mind immediately go straight to 1-2-3 styled rotation.

Give them a little bit of examples, usually their answer becomes something along the line of: “I don’t want meaningless 1 button rotation.” which only reveals that there is some degree of dissatisfaction from today’s buttons.

RDMs basic spells would be really cool to have on a healer.

Maybe add the 3 elements for WHM back and a give him an elemental gauge. Light spells can fill all 3 elements. I though for a while now that Assize would be the perfect skill to deplete such an elemental gauge and add various effects to the party and the enemies regarding on which elements you filled up.

Stone could increase the damage of Assize and give the party a shield. Water increases the healing and the MP recovered. Wind adds a DoT on the enemy... well, it would need some good ideas I think. And the gauge has to cap somewhere so you are actually incentivized to use different spells.

[Somnolence]

RDMs basic spells would be really cool to have on a healer.

Maybe add the 3 elements for WHM back and a give him an elemental gauge. Light spells can fill all 3 elements. I though for a while now that Assize would be the perfect skill to deplete such an elemental gauge and add various effects to the party and the enemies regarding on which elements you filled up.

Stone could increase the damage of Assize and give the party a shield. Water increases the healing and the MP recovered. Wind adds a DoT on the enemy... well, it would need some good ideas I think. And the gauge has to cap somewhere so you are actually incentivized to use different spells.

This is a bit too complicated for a healer. Even as simple as glare having chance to proc another skill and a gauge you can spend on another (that holy beam of Alexander would be cool) would be enough.

[Supersnow845]

To me

-DNC level 50 rotation without standard step
-RDM level 50 rotation
-PCT level 60 rotation
-BLM level 50 rotation without hard timers on astral fire
-BRD level 50 rotation

Are all examples of jobs that I would be fine with having as a healer rotation

[CaptainLagbeard]

I don't know what the correct solution to fixing Healers would be entirely... But as they are now, they're so braindead you can take your eyes off completely from the game for a while as the healer as you mash one button and the biggest risk is you running low on MP due to not popping Lucid Dreaming.

[Aword3213]

I don't know what the correct solution to fixing Healers would be entirely... But as they are now, they're so braindead you can take your eyes off completely from the game for a while as the healer as you mash one button and the biggest risk is you running low on MP due to not popping Lucid Dreaming.

There's no correct solutions, but healers need something. Make 4 healers play differently would be a start

[Ramiee]

Really I think WHM should have damage procs, Sage should have builders to use toxicon and either it does more damage with more addersting or it makes the cd of phelma or psyche faster, ast stays the same but the dot accumilates extra damage from buff like wildfire on machinist and scholar just has 2 extra dots and maybe deployment tactics spread dots.