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    Kozmakis's Avatar
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    Pencho Gipsa
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Thing about that is, they could have reduced the feeling of 'Healer dies? We're all boned' in many ways, not just 'make Healer have one damage button to spam for 80%+ of their GCDs' and/or 'make Healer have like 15 different healing OGCD tools, to further reduce how much they need to GCD heal (since that has a cast time, which could cause the Healer to be late with the healing)'.

    Simple solution: Phoenix Downs can now be used in combat with a 5s cast time, you can carry up to 999 in a stack (instead of being limited to 1), and you can buy them from any item vendor (same as the trash NQ potions, echo drops etc) for some nominal price (eg 100gil each). Bang, now anyone can raise the healer should they die (even melee/physranged/tanks), RDM/SMN's raise is still valuable as it has range (Phoenix Down has a very short range), and it has less punishment to their damage to use it compared to a Phoenix Down (5s for PD, 2.5s recast for Swiftcasting the raise spell), and RDM still retains its ability to machine-gun out multiple resses back to back.
    A good thought, but it sounds like a short-term solution... what happens when people forget to buy them or they run out of gil? I think a more permanent solution is to grant everyone a resurrection spell, or remove resurrections during combat altogether, reduce the number of oneshot mechanics (substitute them with DOTs or some other debuffs?) and encourage wiping as a learning mechanism. Of course, the latter is almost impossible to happen, nobody will redo all dungeon, trial, and raid fights since ARR...
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozmakis View Post
    A good thought, but it sounds like a short-term solution... what happens when people forget to buy them or they run out of gil? I think a more permanent solution is to grant everyone a resurrection spell, or remove resurrections during combat altogether, reduce the number of oneshot mechanics (substitute them with DOTs or some other debuffs?) and encourage wiping as a learning mechanism. Of course, the latter is almost impossible to happen, nobody will redo all dungeon, trial, and raid fights since ARR...
    I would rather look at why healers die. It's so easy to say "yeah, why have sh*tty healers that's why". Sure, there are probably some who just jump in from their summoner or boost, but there are probably multiple reasons ranging from inherently low defense, UI, skills (lack of a self-raise), etc.
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    The dot mechanic instead of vuln is cool. How SE has gone about it is not perfect but for whatever reason this js the design choice they went with. I do think the likely solution and feedback has to fall in simular scope fo the current design philosophy.

    Which is hard cause SE is all over the place. Part of it seems they are are deathly afraid to repeat HW. I would arfue stormblood was the perfect balance, but for whatever reason they felt that was too much also.

    That being said I greatly enjoyed the new raids and i am looking forward to savage. Oddly enough SE have shown they made make interesting damage focused healers sage in PvP is a lot of fun. Those are more support roles and maybe that is what SE needs to embrace. Go the support but not full healer route but that also goes against what they appear to want with current heals.

    Ast is a lot of fun for me personally now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

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    Alfarini Sintasmus
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    yall still at this? christ, what a shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    I would rather look at why healers die. It's so easy to say "yeah, why have sh*tty healers that's why". Sure, there are probably some who just jump in from their summoner or boost, but there are probably multiple reasons ranging from inherently low defense, UI, skills (lack of a self-raise), etc.
    You are right, there are many ways to tackle the problem - more HP, more defence, self-raise etc. I am up for anything that would punish healers less than others for dying I personally prefer the lack of combat res, because it teaches people responsibility to not die while standing in fire. Right now, if you die as DPS and don't get ressed, the healer is considered a noob.. and tanks don't really die lol, but that's just me!

    Quote Originally Posted by alfarini View Post
    yall still at this? christ, what a shame.
    Gotta do something, while waiting for the long DPS queues for dungeons, you know! And thanks for the free bump!
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    Last edited by Kozmakis; 07-19-2024 at 06:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfarini View Post
    yall still at this? christ, what a shame.
    *shrug* I mean, if you don't like it you can heal? I'm bored with the job so you are more then welcome to it!

    But ya, Kozmakis that is a beautiful answer :3
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    Audrey Nocturne
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfarini View Post
    yall still at this? christ, what a shame.
    Right? While I was supportive of the idea of a strike at first, ironically had they played a crumb of healer this expansion they'd know all of their demands have been satisfied.
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    On May 16th 2024, Creative Studio III made the decision to terminate the existence of non-standard Black Mage. The impact of this decision on the job's population will be negligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bp_isa_ff View Post
    Right? While I was supportive of the idea of a strike at first, ironically had they played a crumb of healer this expansion they'd know all of their demands have been satisfied.
    Thank you, I needed that laugh.
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by bp_isa_ff View Post
    Right? While I was supportive of the idea of a strike at first, ironically had they played a crumb of healer this expansion they'd know all of their demands have been satisfied.
    Point me to a healing job whose base rotation does not consist of one dot and one damage spell.
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    "All of their demands"? Where's my 4 different healers? Do I get my engagement past 1st week or am I back to Glaroilficosis purgatory after?
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