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  1. #5151
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    rawker's Avatar
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    Rawker Stone
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sotaris View Post
    It kind of is. Facinating that yall manage to vent about healer for 516 pages though.
    More than that. Don't forget that there are more threads giving feedback to healers that got ignored for 2 expansions now. So I don't think it's fine to say that it is kinda stupid.
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  2. #5152
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    Celeste Valeria
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    I can see tanks and/or physranged keeping their party mitigations but casters and melee have zero business being responsible for party survival. They are dps roles, not support.
    Found the player that never pressed Virus/Feint/Addle in their life.
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  3. #5153
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    I don’t think that’s their point at all lmao.
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  4. #5154
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Venarius View Post
    Found the player that never pressed Virus/Feint/Addle in their life.
    Their point was that casters and melee have no business having mitigation that is required for completion (or mitigation at all, they can just have their defensives)

    There are too many fail points for mitigation as it is, the melee and the caster mitigation should be pulled off them and given to the healers and tanks should lose reprisal in exchange for their shields/POA style mitigation leaving the only two real “mitigation” fail points as the healers and the physical ranged

    Right now when you fail a mitigation check it could literally be any of the 8 members that failed
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  5. #5155
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    I'm mixed on party mitigation on DPS. It gives DPS some responsibility but also is something healers could have as their main thing if removed from DPS. Personal mitigation on DPS is okay tho as long as it doesn't have party healing. *Cough* *cough* reaper *cough* picto *cough"
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  6. #5156
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    In savage DPS already have the highest responsibility to actually meet the enrage, everyone needs to DPS but it’s far far easy to carry a grey healer through a savage than it is to carry a grey DPS

    Savage should accentuate the trinity, not dilute it
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  7. #5157
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    Yuyulu's Avatar
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    Momoru Moru
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    Ultros
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    Sage Lv 90
    put me on the sheet
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  8. #5158
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Their point was that casters and melee have no business having mitigation that is required for completion (or mitigation at all, they can just have their defensives)

    There are too many fail points for mitigation as it is, the melee and the caster mitigation should be pulled off them and given to the healers and tanks should lose reprisal in exchange for their shields/POA style mitigation leaving the only two real “mitigation” fail points as the healers and the physical ranged

    Right now when you fail a mitigation check it could literally be any of the 8 members that failed
    Yes like why was I alternating Feints with the other melee for several AoEs so that the party could survive while the healer is spamming Glare? Make it make sense. People say "do harder content" but the harder content is where I've questioned all this role blending the most.

    Quote Originally Posted by Venarius View Post
    Found the player that never pressed Virus/Feint/Addle in their life.
    So you cut out the part of my post where I discuss using Feint and then post a quip saying I don't use it? It doesn't make you look clever, honey.
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    Last edited by Reinha; 06-26-2024 at 08:11 PM.
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  9. #5159
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixon View Post
    What. Every job needs a healer in most content other than like, WAR? PLD at a cost to dps? RDM Vercure's aren't keeping a tank topped. In fact, Viper comes with ZERO defensives other than a 120sec and 90sec abilities that hardly sustain over a fight. I will agree that SOME of the healing, shielding, and mit should be taken from the other roles and placed back on the healers, but speaking in hyperboles and over-exaggerations kills any sensible conversation.
    nola pls u surely know u can faceroll all dungeons with 1t3d even on gnb
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  10. #5160
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    Rawker Stone
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 90
    This is awkward...

    On the topic of 1t3d, i'm not that good yet to carry with any other tank than PLD....
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