#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[GoatOfWar]

I find it strange whenever people claim WAR's entire identity should revolve around "too angry to die", isn't that basically being immortal? In what game would it be called remotely balanced for a tank to be basically immortal?

Self-healing tank? Sure. But self-healing tanks usually come with downsides, such as very little (or none) flat mitigation, usually revolving around boosting their own HP temporarily to delay death.

Note: "Delay death" not "Beat up boss from 100% to 0% without a healer in a fight designed for a 4 player party".

The problem is that War players insist *everything* is part of their job identity.
There's a reason War choked out every niche in the tank role.

They think they're too angry to die (Being immortal) is their job identity.
They also think, that big healing is War's job identity.
For some reason, War also needs to do big damage according to War players.
But it also needs to have the best invuln. So yeah, there's just nothing left.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The problem is that War players insist *everything* is part of their job identity.
There's a reason War choked out every niche in the tank role.

They think they're too angry to die (Being immortal) is their job identity.
They also think, that big healing is War's job identity.
For some reason, War also needs to do big damage according to War players.
But it also needs to have the best invuln. So yeah, there's just nothing left.

They’ve tasted the forbidden fruit and refuses to part ways with it.

Unironically, SE’s slowness when it comes to ‘fixing’ these issues also plays a huge part on this conundrum. The longer this sticks out, the more likely it’ll attract the crowd that likes the problem itself while also driving away the players who abhors them. What’s left after is a totally different crowd.

The same can be said on entire green role’s dumbing down.

[Kacho_Nacho]

The problem is that War players insist *everything* is part of their job identity.
There's a reason War choked out every niche in the tank role.

They think they're too angry to die (Being immortal) is their job identity.
They also think, that big healing is War's job identity.
For some reason, War also needs to do big damage according to War players.
But it also needs to have the best invuln. So yeah, there's just nothing left.

This is a very insightful post. This thread had received a lot of pushback from warriors because we've been pointing out the elephant in the room.

Anyone looking at the job from a detached point of view can see warriors need to be nerfed for the good of the game as a whole. Not only do they significantly diminish the contribution of healers, the overpoweredness of warriors is unfair to players of other tanks. This is especially true for dark knights, who've had to watch their abilities be taken away only to have better versions of those abilities be given to warriors later.

Here's how I think tanks should be.

1. Warriors = Abilities which boost health and damage temporarily through rage. Needs extra healing after health buff wears off.
2. Paladins = Strong mitigation combined with abilities to protect the party. Does less damage than the other tanks.
3. Dark Knights = Abilities which recover health from damage along with devastating attacks. Has to balance between using their MP to recover health or using it for their special attacks.
4. Gunbreakers = Mobility and high APM play focused on weak mitigation and quick attacks. Balanced between using their MP for mobility to get in and out of harm's way, applying weak mitigation, or quick combos.

[Wildheaven182]

I find square enix fans and final fantasy fans very odd. Now i love ffxiv, but ive only played ffv before and i didnt quite finish it. And of course theres classics like kingdom hearts.
I wouldnt consider myself a squex fan or a final fantasy fan but i dont hate the company or series either. I have my criticisms, like final fantasy's modern era lack of creativity and i dont like the rehashing but i think thats kinda the point of the final fantasy series is that its all heavily recycled and rehashed? Thats fine it just doesnt appeal to me.

Now what im getting at, is these fans are extremely loyal. They dont tolerate any criticism constructive or otherwise and it's far more unique than other gaming fanbases. They are particularly zealous and blind in their loyalty. Maybe its because FF is such a long storied but also samey and rehashed series. Maybe it bleeds over from japanese conformity shame culture.

Anyway, i think this attitude is what leads to ruin. It makes devs out of touch and elitist if their fans will eat anything they are served, like blizzard. But at least blizzard fans complain about the dogwater. I think the blind lack of openmindedness shows through in the failure of 1.0. And also the recent sales failures of FF16 and FF7 part 2 resulting in mass layoffs and announcements of reorganization with downsizing.

Theyve had a lot of one off games that havent met sales either for the high budgets they were given, so they said they have to reduce quality going forward.

There was a Final Fantasy movie a while ago that kinda flopped even though it wasnt really bad. It wasnt great but FF fans gush over its technological innovation but like Elemental, people dont see movies for the new cgi technology used. Its out of touch but fans gush for this stuff, but the fanbase alone isnt enough to sustain the high quality squex wants to develop with, they have to appeal to normies too.

And that means listening to negative feedback, even if it doesnt seem to be from a majority.

[Ramiee]

Saw a healer selling 100k per runs yesterday.
Role so bad you have to pay people to play it lol

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Saw a healer selling 100k per runs yesterday.
Role so bad you have to pay people to play it lol

Just 100k? Shows just how little they're valued

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Saw a healer selling 100k per runs yesterday.
Role so bad you have to pay people to play it lol

To be fair, that has happened literally every expansion, even during expansions where Healers were more complex than today, but it happens extremely prominently on any expansion which didn't have a new healer due to queues getting lop-sided by the new jobs they added.

People just see opportunities to make easy gil, nothing new really.

[Kewitt]

Sweet fast queue times for me...

[rawker]

Sweet fast queue times for me...

[Ramiee]

Just 100k? Shows just how little they're valued

Oh yeah I would of knocked it up to 400k