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  1. #431
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    Karma Astra
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    Just a reminder everybody to please be civil.
    If we want change don't insult the development team; debate people without resorting to insults and ad hominem when someone disagrees with healers changes even if they're being unreasonable. I urge you to just ignore them. I know it might be hard but I think we need to do things peacefully so the devs listen to our healer players.
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  2. #432
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    Iedarus Meridus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Taken from that thread:

    It's ironic that they don't realize starting up such threads does indeed support this one because if #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE didn't have any traction, nobody would even bother to start up a thread like that in the first place. I also know that XIV content creators are always looking for anything juicy to talk about, and one or two of them may very well pick this subject and create a video about it.
    So much this. Drama gets SO many clicks on social media, and to have that drama be a STRIKE!? You'd be an idiot not to capitalize off it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

  3. #433
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    MisterNublet's Avatar
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    Autechre Voidmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    So much this. Drama gets SO many clicks on social media, and to have that drama be a STRIKE!? You'd be an idiot not to capitalize off it.
    It's drama about healers though, a role a lot of content creators ignore themselves.
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    Last edited by MisterNublet; 06-10-2024 at 11:34 AM.

  4. #434
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterNublet View Post
    It's drama about healers though, something a lot of content creators ignore themselves.
    Xeno did make a video covering every role except healer for DT, so you are certainly correct for the most part, but there are some pretty big Youtubers who do cover healers. Also, no healers means queue times are going to be absolutely fucking ABYSMAL. This is why I feel so confident in the strike; you get value when you become something the community can't ignore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

  5. #435
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anivanya View Post
    Hi! I am with you on the whole lack of desire to be a green dps but this actually has been stated by Yoshi-P on several occasions, I've read it a few times in interviews he's done. Here's a link to an interview Mr. Happy had with him addressing healers dps-ing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5la_nyC5BO0&t=282s
    I get that. but the issue here has become, heal what? with self sustain, and adding healer aoe's to dps classes... there is nothing else for healers to do in dungeons except the one button dps "rotation". personally I despise being a ride along no contributor.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

  6. #436
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    I'd guess they're talking about the experience of your typical, average player playing with other typical, average players. For example, I heal through the daily roulettes, and my standard experience involves having to be on my toes to keep tanks alive (and occasionally DPS who seem to be doing everything possible to die). What a streamer who's a veteran at the game is capable of doing doesn't necessarily mean anything for what the typical player will experience.
    Indeed? Yes, it’s easy to brush Xeno off, and I can understand why, but ignoring this potential issue won’t do us any favors. If anything, this worries me because we might heal less in DT. With the exception of DRK, Tanks need to have their sustain / mitigation abilities nerfed. It also doesn't help that some DPS Jobs are getting some useful healing abilities in DT like MNK and Pictomancer.

    I like what I see in DT WHM and SGE. But there is still room for improvement. Especially, in normal content. We need dungeons like the Vault and Towet of Zot at max level.

    Truth be told, I’ve only had one attempt at healing in Savage. That was back 5.4 (ES8). Never played another Savage fight again as I did quit the game for over a year. I would like to attempt higher level fights again in the future, but I want to see my favorite role improve first.
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    Last edited by currentlemon; 06-10-2024 at 12:05 PM.

  7. #437
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    Quote Originally Posted by LynxDubh View Post
    It would probably be best to link the discord in the first post with an edit, that way it does not get further buried.
    I placed a link to the Discord in my sig. Though, I am not sure how the invite system works. Hopefully this will be helpful.
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  8. #438
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I placed a link to the Discord in my sig. Though, I am not sure how the invite system works. Hopefully this will be helpful.
    I would still put it in the original post, it could otherwise be seen as your personal discord if it's in your signature.
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  9. #439
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    Suvi Kielo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    I get that. but the issue here has become, heal what? with self sustain, and adding healer aoe's to dps classes... there is nothing else for healers to do in dungeons except the one button dps "rotation". personally I despise being a ride along no contributor.
    Oh yeah, I completely agree. I'm just sharing the message that's been said is all and it never made sense because it doesn't really match the status of fights in the game. They're too static and choreographed for my personal tastes. I'd love to see some chaos and more dynamic fights or something and leave the healing to us! I don't know, I don't have the answer but something's got to give. Because the direction they're taking is a huge disappointment for sure.
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  10. #440
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    Socram Lak
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    From my own experience in Endwalker, I can say the healer design is in a very bad state:

    1- I have a group of friends to run roulettes with. We never bring a healer, 3 dps and a WAR can clear any dungeon easily and it's way faster and actually more fun

    2- When Endwalker released, I did a lot of the Hydaelyn EX farming with 5 dps and 1 healer, because 1 healer was enough and the recelars were faster

    3- I had my first experience myself healing in Anabaseios, I was SGE and the first hours were actually really fun because I was learning my kit alongside the fights, but by the time we finished 4th floor my gameplay downgraded do spamming Dosis and oGCD healing here and there. When we finished our farm after 10 weeks I was bored to death and decided to never again play as healer in savage.
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