#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

there was that "what do you like about healing" thread that has an amount of negativity but it is really hard to be positive about the state of healing so I simply said nothing

[NanaWiloh]

My rule for healing is this. If you are new I will heal and rez endlessly cause your learning old or new content. If you are veteran I will heal and rez endlessly in NEW content to get through it. But if we are in old content and you are dying repeatedly cause of your own lack of effort or ignorance. The I will only rez you 3 times after that you will be waiting for another healer to peel you off the floor.

[Myrany]

My rule for healing is this. If you are new I will heal and rez endlessly cause your learning old or new content. If you are veteran I will heal and rez endlessly in NEW content to get through it. But if we are in old content and you are dying repeatedly cause of your own lack of effort or ignorance. The I will only rez you 3 times after that you will be waiting for another healer to peel you off the floor.

To be honest with the exception of one boss in on dungeon I don't die all that much even in content that is new to me. That wall monster with the slippery floors and spinning sides I just flat can't do with any consistency no matter how hard I try. I've done it like 4 times now...I think I survived the fight once. My hands just do not like that fight and spasm every time. Once that happens I am toast.

Mind you although I have been playing over 5 years I am just now doing shadowbringers for the first time. So in that content veteran newbie fits LOL

[Paine_Blackstar]

This strike is ridiculous. It will only turn ppl off from playing and making queueing for duties even more miserable. It's specially more infuriating considering the OP doesn't even play difficult content. People really do take one VOD and take it to a new level to apply it as the norm. Take the no healer TOP run as an example, you basically had a considerable amount of players claiming that healers are basically useless when this is just not the case. I mean the TOP run was done under the most extreme conditions, people died in p6 before they had to, but to compensate they had an extra damage dealer and a tank, under normal circumstances a death in that phase 99% of the cases is a wipe. You can't convince me, ONE random group that can do something extremely difficult for the hardest content's standards without a healer can be translated "oh healers are not needed". And in normal content, healers are specially needed because we are all here talking all high and mighty, but let's not pretend that people done die in dungeon content here. Say it for what it is. People who run no healer comps tend to lean into a more skilled part of the playerbase and the Idea that because some groups do it, invalidates healers is ridiculous. It's kinda garbage for the red mage rotation to be raising someone because they can't stop being hit whilst being smug that healers are useless. Anything that is not difficult content is catered to the more casual side of the people, that's what makes them money and no healer strike Is going to change that. It just makes the game a worse experiencing for everyone, veterans and new players alike. I don't understand what the true OP's goal is, but the fact that so many people just blindly agree with them is kind of insane to me. I'm all for making the game better, but not at the cost of anyone's experience. As a healer main myself throughout the entire expansion who did all the content except for criterion dungeons due to how unrewarding they are, I feel useful as hell. Specially in roulettes, I have a hard time counting dungeons where people don't die. True savage content, specially with current day body checks is impossible without healers for the average player. Ultimate content cannot be done with the average player and those are what people should be using for reference, not what one guy does and amplify it into a monster that terrorizes the entire community and converts people into "healers are useless" mouthbreathers and naysayers.

[IDontPetLalas]

This strike is ridiculous. It will only turn ppl off from playing and making queueing for duties even more miserable. It's specially more infuriating considering the OP doesn't even play difficult content. People really do take one VOD and take it to a new level to apply it as the norm. Take the no healer TOP run as an example, *snip* Ultimate content cannot be done with the average player and those are what people should be using for reference, not what one guy does and amplify it into a monster that terrorizes the entire community and converts people into "healers are useless" mouthbreathers and naysayers.

One- paragraph breaks- please use them.

Two - what does OP's "not running difficult content" have to do with her specific feedback, or feedback from the majority of players that don't do Savage or Ultimate content, but do all the rest of the game?

Three- there have been years of feedback prior to the specific dungeon you're discussing, it's not about just one group.

Four- OP posted the initial post, however the comments were not solely her idea. I would also point you to the number of likes. It's not a perfect metric, however I do feel that it gives some indication that that they're shared by a an unusually high number of people for the OF.

Five- If you feel useful in roulettes, great! I mean that seriously. Many people don't, especially with body checks- they're really a skill issue for healers. You can't really save someone. You can raise them- but you can't "pull off a save". The skill set isn't the same, nor is the feeling.

Finally, why should ultimate be used for a reference aka 'just play ultimate" ? Most players won't ever do that content. Mind you, referencing people as "mouthbreathers" doesn't exactly bode well for your reading this.

[Paine_Blackstar]

Two - what does OP's "not running difficult content" have to do with her specific feedback, or feedback from the majority of players that don't do Savage or Ultimate content, but do all the rest of the game?

Three- there have been years of feedback prior to the specific dungeon you're discussing, it's not about just one group.

Four- OP posted the initial post, however the comments were not solely her idea. I would also point you to the number of likes. It's not a perfect metric, however I do feel that it gives some indication that that they're shared by a an unusually high number of people for the OF.

Five- If you feel useful in roulettes, great! I mean that seriously. Many people don't, especially with body checks- they're really a skill issue for healers. You can't really save someone. You can raise them- but you can't "pull off a save". The skill set isn't the same, nor is the feeling.

Finally, why should ultimate be used for a reference aka 'just play ultimate" ? Most players won't ever do that content. Mind you, referencing people as "mouthbreathers" doesn't exactly bode well for your reading this.

2- Her feedback is based on limited experience. Healers and tanks need to be this powerful for hard content and no healer strike will prevent this. The only fix for this issue is to vastly increase the damage output from dungeons and make them artificially harder that way, give healers some more dps buttons and be done with this. The reason healers are so boring to play with their rotations was because players complained before about them being hard, and now people are complaining again that they are braindead to use.

3- I did not specify any dungeons. Nor am I excusing the bad fact that It can be cleared without healers. I'm pointing out that in the vast majority of groups, healers are very much a necessity not only because the game forces that on duty finder but also because players die to stupid mechanics all the time. Which goes against the statement that healers are becoming useless.

4- It's an arbitrary number. The majority of people's main city is Limsa. Does that make it good for you? Probably, but a high number of people prefer gridania over it. The analogy I'm trying to make here is that not everyone is going to agree with those 355 likes (right now), which surprisingly is a very low number for FF standards.

5- Thank you!

For the last Question: Healers and tanks are so overpowered on healing and defensively respectively, difficult content must be clearable with the job kits and as a result everything that is not hard in this game is just easy regardless of the job you play as.

There is no inbetween here, If they close the gap in difficulty between the hard content and the casual content they will loose players because they will complain about the game being too hard.

[Rolder50]

2- Her feedback is based on limited experience. Healers and tanks need to be this powerful for hard content and no healer strike will prevent this.

Except that is just blatantly not true. If you go look at the latest ultimate clears, you know the hardest content in the game, you will find that the healers STILL use 70%+ of their GCDs on damage. Even on the really low ranked clears.

[Supersnow845]

Except that is just blatantly not true. If you go look at the latest ultimate clears, you know the hardest content in the game, you will find that the healers STILL use 70%+ of their GCDs on damage. Even on the really low ranked clears.

(Before you ask no I’m not good enough to do it myself and I respect the hell out of them for it)

The fact that it’s even mathematically possible to clear TOP without healers is blatant proof that healer kits aren’t being tested. If your kit can put out 75k HPS and the content is only asking for like 10,000 then no your kit isn’t being challenged