#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

So we've got the join date Oct 2015 that "joined at the end of ShB" and the "Sage main" with WAR and WHM on their profile claiming that the strike is bad while claiming the healer with the most complex damage rotation currently. (it's just Phlegma but it's more than everyone else lol)

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

[KitiaraIornsight]

So we've got the join date Oct 2015 that "joined at the end of ShB" and the "Sage main" with WAR and WHM on their profile claiming that the strike is bad while claiming the healer with the most complex damage rotation currently. (it's just Phlegma but it's more than everyone else lol)

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

um, you do realize that someone can play this game and create their FORUM account much much later?
Here's a snip of my oldest achievement if you don't believe my main character started in 2.1


Forum membership does not get created automatically with the making of a character

[Stormhold]

Yes we do. We want engaging healer gameplay.

*Useless wall of text*

That's it.

JUST DO CRITERION DUNGEON FOR ONCE. I swear to God, people complaining about pressing 1 button never healed anything harder than EX, IF they healed EX.
Pressing 1 button is needed to keep concentration and being able to react to someones fumble and to save the run.
Ever tried to do at least HW+ AR without healers? You spam rez on sprouts so much, You have no time for super complex rotation.
1 button spam is so dishonest -- All healers but Astro got 1 filler, 1 dot, 1 burst. Gameplay is: Fill as much fillers as You can while heal/move ; Keep dot ; Time burst with Your allies burst buffs. All while making sure next nuke won't kill anyone.

Also, only players Your strike is gonna hurt is Sprouts, who already a huge headache in DF. You give them harder time as healers (which they already can't handle and spam Cure 1) and everything folds. Bosses are balanced around healer damage, so if You make "COMPLEX AND ENGAGING" rotation for healers, bosses must be adjusted, but in which direction? Balancing around healers who can't damage, or around those who can? Make dungeons even more of a joke, or a slog?

[Katish]

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You assume healers here don't do criterion(?) Or harder content in general...? Same application of one dps button spam, the only wipes I typically see is failing to do a mechanic correctly or enrage. Now that content is rarely seen...unfortunate too, was looking to get my clear on the first criterion, but that is the ropes of content that lacks repeatability value (not really a healer issue).

Tdr, two-three sentences? There is varying skill level of healers in this thread, please read something before assuming a premise.

[Supersnow845]

JUST DO CRITERION DUNGEON FOR ONCE. I swear to God, people complaining about pressing 1 button never healed anything harder than EX, IF they healed EX.
Pressing 1 button is needed to keep concentration and being able to react to someones fumble and to save the run.
Ever tried to do at least HW+ AR without healers? You spam rez on sprouts so much, You have no time for super complex rotation.
1 button spam is so dishonest -- All healers but Astro got 1 filler, 1 dot, 1 burst. Gameplay is: Fill as much fillers as You can while heal/move ; Keep dot ; Time burst with Your allies burst buffs. All while making sure next nuke won't kill anyone.

Also, only players Your strike is gonna hurt is Sprouts, who already a huge headache in DF. You give them harder time as healers (which they already can't handle and spam Cure 1) and everything folds. Bosses are balanced around healer damage, so if You make "COMPLEX AND ENGAGING" rotation for healers, bosses must be adjusted, but in which direction? Balancing around healers who can't damage, or around those who can? Make dungeons even more of a joke, or a slog?

I’m spending 60% of my casts in TOP spamming broil. This is a problem that goes all the way up into ultimates healers are just badly designed

And right now nothing below EX is designed around expectation of healer damage, hell dungeons are designed around no healer damage because if the healer doesn’t do damage everyone’s CD’s actually align better. The cure 1 spammers aren’t going to he hurt here

[Amity_Roji]

JUST DO CRITERION DUNGEON FOR ONCE. I swear to God, people complaining about pressing 1 button never healed anything harder than EX, IF they healed EX.
Pressing 1 button is needed to keep concentration and being able to react to someones fumble and to save the run.
Ever tried to do at least HW+ AR without healers? You spam rez on sprouts so much, You have no time for super complex rotation.
1 button spam is so dishonest -- All healers but Astro got 1 filler, 1 dot, 1 burst. Gameplay is: Fill as much fillers as You can while heal/move ; Keep dot ; Time burst with Your allies burst buffs. All while making sure next nuke won't kill anyone.

Also, only players Your strike is gonna hurt is Sprouts, who already a huge headache in DF. You give them harder time as healers (which they already can't handle and spam Cure 1) and everything folds. Bosses are balanced around healer damage, so if You make "COMPLEX AND ENGAGING" rotation for healers, bosses must be adjusted, but in which direction? Balancing around healers who can't damage, or around those who can? Make dungeons even more of a joke, or a slog?

So let me get this straight:

• Healers should only have engaging healer gameplay in certain niche areas.
• Arguments are only valid if someone's a subjectively "elite" player doing "elite" content.
• There's no need to address the verifiable fact that healers don't focus on healing in the vast majority of content in this game because it's inconvenient.

Yeah, nah.

And for the record I've done all levels of content in this game from ARR to present, but that doesn't matter. This isn't a difficulty issue - it's a design one.

Imagine if Bard only used Heavy Shot, Venomous Bite, and Quick Nock in all content except Savage/EX. That's where we're at.

[Amity_Roji]

I think a lot of people are getting hung up on the "boring DPS rotation" angle. The fact - yes, fact - that healer gameplay at all levels of content is primarily focused around the pressing of a single DPS ability is a symptom of the problems with the healer role, not a cause. It is the end result of changes to both jobs and encounter design primarily beginning with ShB and worsening until we are at the place we are today.

Healers spend very little time actually healing.

Let me spell it out for you - that is a fact. It's not arguable. There are objective, quantifiable data points on this.

At this point we have to ask the obvious question - "What should healers be?" Again, this is debatable but I think these would be widely agreed upon by the healing community:

• A healer's primary focus should be on using abilities to prevent party members from dying, either through mitigation or repair. This should require the majority of the healer's time and attention.
• Healers should have a DPS kit that enables them to complete solo activities in a reasonable time and additionally allow them to provide supplemental DPS in encounters during "downtime" from healing.
• As an innately supportive job, healers should have additional support abilities that improve the overall party synergistically.

I hate to quote myself but we're still stuck in this DPS-rotation-focused bickering that's not really addressing the true issue - healers aren't primarily healing - and allowing that to devolve into irrelevant stuff about how entry-level players couldn't handle a complex DPS rotation or whatever. DPS rotation changes are a band-aid fix to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.

I still have yet to see a convincing argument about why the healing role should not focus on healing as its primary activity.

[aiqa]

I hate to quote myself but we're still stuck in this DPS-rotation-focused bickering that's not really addressing the true issue - healers aren't primarily healing - and allowing that to devolve into irrelevant stuff about how entry-level players couldn't handle a complex DPS rotation or whatever. DPS rotation changes are a band-aid fix to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.

I still have yet to see a convincing argument about why the healing role should not focus on healing as its primary activity.

My preference is also to require more healing. But that doesn't mean damage spells can't be improved a bit. It's not either-or.

[GrimGale]

I hate to quote myself but we're still stuck in this DPS-rotation-focused bickering that's not really addressing the true issue - healers aren't primarily healing - and allowing that to devolve into irrelevant stuff about how entry-level players couldn't handle a complex DPS rotation or whatever. DPS rotation changes are a band-aid fix to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.

I still have yet to see a convincing argument about why the healing role should not focus on healing as its primary activity.

Something something casuals, something something barrier of entry. Heal anxiety and so on and so forth.

Also, GCD is not fast enough for spot healing to be effective. There is a delay between healing being activated and actually applying. Game designed around big burst of damage and not attrition healing.

[MisterNublet]

I hate to quote myself but we're still stuck in this DPS-rotation-focused bickering that's not really addressing the true issue - healers aren't primarily healing - and allowing that to devolve into irrelevant stuff about how entry-level players couldn't handle a complex DPS rotation or whatever. DPS rotation changes are a band-aid fix to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.

I still have yet to see a convincing argument about why the healing role should not focus on healing as its primary activity.

Healers would love to have more healing to do and focus on healing.

The issue is the devs are seemingly incapable of creating fights that require such active healing, and the game's trash tick-rate won't allow for it either. When they tried to increase the healing requirement in Pandæmonium, they couldn't even do that right, and Abyssos ended up being mitigation checks foremost. Then they went ahead and increased the ease of mitigation use in DawnTrail, hilariously enough.

Besides, asking for more dps options doesn't mean they can't increase the healing requirement too. This isn't "a one or the other, but not both" scenario. We can ask for both, and should.