#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[aiqa]

The generalizing issue is that there is nothing interesting to do when the "healing" part of the healer job has been solved. Having tanks with strong sustain only aggravates that issue since it naturally makes the healing part quicker to solve and leaves healers with nothing but their DPS kits ,witch are as barren and simple as they could be.

If our filler dps kits were fun nobody would be mad at the tanks for removing healing time from healer roles.

I don't agree with that. There are multiple issues with the healer role, listed quite well in the manifesto in the opening post of this thread. Just tweaking the damage buttons is not enough. There are even people who are perfectly fine with the damage buttons, but still support the strike because they are concerned about the other points.

[Assur]

I am not criticising here or objecting. I am just curious. Because mainly as a dungeon clearer as a DRK, I feel the need for a healer acutely. People say here that healers are not needed and that their role is made obsolete in easy as well as in hard content. I cannot agree with this statement. As a DRK, WAR is a completely different story, I can't clear even a normal dungeon without them. I need them. I depend on them. Otherwise, I die if they mess up. For me, you healers are essential, and I am glad to have one at my side.

And I feel differences in quality depending on the healers in question. There are more skilled ones. There are less skilled ones. They influence how I run my dungeon. But even with the skill ones, I have the impression that they quite the handful to do and often put to the test, which is why I ask.

Because I don't know the modus operandi of those who say their role is invalidated in dungeon clears, and they are just reduced to one button DPS spam. I don't see this reality.

[GrimGale]

I don't see this reality.

So this basically means that if you get randomly paired with players that know their kits and avoid damage your class/role gets reduced to a 1 button spam.

[Assur]

So this basically means that if you get randomly paired with players that know their kits and avoid damage your class/role gets reduced to a 1 button spam.

What do you mean?

[Amity_Roji]

Anyway, I got the impression from some people here in the thread that dungeons are basically brain dead content and two or three heals see any tank through. With the consequence that they have barely any work to do and barely have to sue their full healing kit, which is why the healers call now for a damage increase to make them relevant again or an actual DPS rotation worth its salt.

Or just more challenging content. I think many if not most healers want to...uhh...heal. Having a better DPS rotation is sort of a "well, if you're not gonna make encounters where we actually have to focus on healing as our main activity/priority then at least give us something engaging to do while DPSing instead of hitting two buttons."

Granted, I don't know how these people run their content. And granted I am a casual here and basically dungeon peasant, which I find fun to run, but these views don't align with my experience.

At least, from my impression, some healers have quite a hard time. One, two or three heals and some mitigation don't cut it. It can be quite sticky at times. And from time to time, I bite the dust for being a bit too eager.

Emphasis mine. Have you ever thought about how the very concept of wall-pulling (your "eagerness" here) is an invalidation of the healer role? Damage is so inconsequential that it's standard practice for tanks to pull literally every possible mob they can and have the group just AoE everything down with no thought. In fact, most groups will get irritated with you if you don't wall-pull. Your experience is colored by this status quo, and the "issues" you're having with healers actually having to heal are probably because you're having healers who aren't synced to crap (newer players, people leveling healer jobs and aren't mega-geared, etc.).

In short, the game has devalued healing to such a severe extent that the gameplay meta assumes healing is not needed - and when it is (your "eager" instances) it's considered a flaw in the healer, not the meta. That's the problem.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

DRK does need a healer to clear a dungeon efficiently, TBN is good but it doesn't max your HP + Mitigate 15~% + do your laundry + spot heal the Dragoon.

DRK also has no answer to healing raidwides, because why would they? WAR sure does though just shake it off. Even still DRK has all the power they need to wall pull dungeons and solo boss fights so what the hell is WAR doing?

[Assur]

DRK does need a healer to clear a dungeon efficiently, TBN is good but it doesn't max your HP + Mitigate 15~% + do your laundry + spot heal the Dragoon.

DRK also has no answer to healing raidwides, because why would they? WAR sure does though just shake it off. Even still DRK has all the power they need to wall pull dungeons and solo boss fights so what the hell is WAR doing?

Thank you, my point.

[Assur]

Or just more challenging content. I think many if not most healers want to...uhh...heal. Having a better DPS rotation is sort of a "well, if you're not gonna make encounters where we actually have to focus on healing as our main activity/priority then at least give us something engaging to do while DPSing instead of hitting two buttons."


Emphasis mine. Have you ever thought about how the very concept of wall-pulling (your "eagerness" here) is an invalidation of the healer role? Damage is so inconsequential that it's standard practice for tanks to pull literally every possible mob they can and have the group just AoE everything down with no thought. In fact, most groups will get irritated with you if you don't wall-pull. Your experience is colored by this status quo, and the "issues" you're having with healers actually having to heal are probably because you're having healers who aren't synced to crap (newer players, people leveling healer jobs and aren't sync'd to hell, etc.).

In short, the game has devalued healing to such a severe extent that the gameplay meta assumes healing is not needed - and when it is (your "eager" instances) it's considered a flaw in the healer, not the meta. That's the problem.

I am not sure how wall pulling is devaluating the healer’s role. Unless you are WAR, doest it put more strain and responsibility on the healer? Without a healer, I as a DRK would certainly not survive my pulls in a satisfying manner, so I see them as quintessential to my approach, unable to do without them. But that is, admittedly, a tank’s perspective. And it might not be that challenging enough for your healers.

[Basteala]

I am not sure how wall pulling is devaluating the healer’s role. Unless you are WAR, doest it put more strain and responsibility on the healer? Without a healer, I as a DRK would certainly not survive my pulls in a satisfying manner, so I see them as quintessential to my approach, unable to do without them. But that is, admittedly, a tank’s perspective. And it might not be that challenging enough for your healers.

Honestly with the improved Living Dead you shouldn't have that much problem surviving in EW dungeons.

Besides, as a SCH if I see you go to like 50-60% and I don't see X-Cogitation on you, I'm just gonna Lustrate you, and go back to spamming. Healing really is that easy nowadays.