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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    Sure I can. Just go back and read all the other points I made.
    Yes but your points just aren’t really viable

    When the tanks are actually better healers than the healers how do we make the healers more relevant without nerfing the tanks

    No matter what I do on any of the healers I physically cannot outheal bloodwhetting on cleave content, hell I struggle to outheal it in single target content it’s that strong. There is also the consideration of the fact that tanks inherent defensive is so strong they are near immortal in casual content and can’t due to shared damage in savage

    I physically don’t see how the game can be balanced around the current tank output given the healers physically can’t match it
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Okay can you provide us some reasons why your job is well designed and why you like it and why you oppose our changes so we can attempt to integrate this feedback into the suggestions we have been providing that are falling on deaf ears
    https://youtu.be/JPA9bKz2meI

    Warrior players be like Eric Cartman, and then wonder why people don't like playing with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazmarek View Post
    Sure I can. Just go back and read all the other points I made.
    Look, people enjoyed healers from ARR, I switched to AST in HW and I've seen it gutted each expansion.

    Now, in DT it's just feels like a double down on when I can heal - WAR burst heals, so does DNC now we've got MNK with Buffs and heald and smn.

    We have RDM who can ver raise, smn that can swift cast it? I mean omg

    This is ontop of all the mitigation heals from tanks?

    If I go into a pug as a healer I would like something to do?
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    You don't even need to force it on people to make them upset and uncomfortable in this community.

    There's been multiple people coming in and belittling the whole thing presumably because they're averse to change and criticism...though often additionally because they don't want to bother reading any of the posts to understand what people are even upset about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    I don't know who specifically other than two people have been rude over in JP, but I can tell you one of those was going to JP to trash talk the people in favor of the strike. The other person... That person seems more of someone on their own agenda and is kind of obnoxious. I would just ask that you hold the individual accountable for their actions rather than the group. No one is telling people they need to go harass JP forums or condoning that.
    Absolutely, I'm focused on the particular individuals who are causing trouble over there and my unhappiness is directed at them, as I've been reading through this thread on the EN forums, I've been seeing a lot of people get a bit disrespectful/hostile towards one another, so
    I just wanted to bring some awareness to those individuals who are doing this.


    To be honest, I've even seen a bit of that kind of attitude in this thread from you, ty taurus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheForce View Post
    Absolutely, I'm focused on the particular individuals who are causing trouble over there and my unhappiness is directed at them, as I've been reading through this thread on the EN forums, I've been seeing a lot of people get a bit disrespectful/hostile towards one another, so
    I just wanted to bring some awareness to those individuals who are doing this.


    To be honest, I've even seen a bit of that kind of attitude in this thread from you, ty taurus.
    We are tired, the community managers don’t engage with us here like they do on the JP forums. We do what the game asks us to do, come here and provide feedback. There is an absolute mountain of feedback in the EN healer forums that amounts to healers is much rather play than the 14 healers in their current state. We respectfully alter critique and edit our feedback and it falls on deaf ears while they continue to not tell us why they won’t acknowledge our feedback and our community managers are MIA

    Then when we get sick of it and do something like this somehow everyone is suddenly up in arms and calling us idiots, pansies, queue wreckers, casual losers, high end tryhards the whole nine yards

    We are tired and unlike Japan we don’t have the same expectations of Curtesy above all else. I don’t think it’s strange to see people are getting snippy
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Then when we get sick of it and do something like this somehow everyone is suddenly up in arms and calling us idiots, pansies, queue wreckers, casual losers, high end tryhards the whole nine yards

    We are tired and unlike Japan we don’t have the same expectations of Curtesy above all else. I don’t think it’s strange to see people are getting snippy
    We went through, what, 266 pages of countering arguments to end up with the last thing people can come up with "well....healer bad!".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    We are tired, the community managers don’t engage with us here like they do on the JP forums. We do what the game asks us to do, come here and provide feedback. There is an absolute mountain of feedback in the EN healer forums that amounts to healers is much rather play than the 14 healers in their current state. We respectfully alter critique and edit our feedback and it falls on deaf ears while they continue to not tell us why they won’t acknowledge our feedback and our community managers are MIA

    Then when we get sick of it and do something like this somehow everyone is suddenly up in arms and calling us idiots, pansies, queue wreckers, casual losers, high end tryhards the whole nine yards

    We are tired and unlike Japan we don’t have the same expectations of Curtesy above all else. I don’t think it’s strange to see people are getting snippy
    just bumrush the jp forums and make the japanese fans mad so they actually have to respond
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    Quote Originally Posted by grinkdaboy View Post
    just bumrush the jp forums and make the japanese fans mad so they actually have to respond
    You're more likely to annoy them to the point of having the opposite effect. Don't do that.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE
    Healers have been neglected for 3 expansions now and this needs to be rectified with the following:
    1. An engaging DPS kit beyond a nuke and DoT.
    2. Increased incoming damage so we have more to heal.
    3. Distinctive playstyles amongst the healers.
    4. Some nerfs to non-healer heals, we shouldn't be replaceable.

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    Scholar was thematically better in FFXI. They were basically a hybrid White/Black magic user similar to Red Mage in the mainline Final Fantasy games. Heal, support, and damage mage. Scholar is currently a robe of itself (Seraphism) in FFXIV.

    https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Scholar

    White Mage in FFXI was a pure support/healer job. All they did was heal. However, they were the best at it and the game was designed around that. In FFXIV, all you are doing is throwing rocks and balls of light. This game (FFXIV) is not designed around healing.

    Hiromichu Tanaka will always be a legend for FFXI. It is unfortunate his vision for FFXIV never materialised, and they faced so many setbacks.
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    Last edited by lulunami; 06-17-2024 at 02:42 AM.
    Fried popoto enthusiast.

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