#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[TheDustyOne]

I saw this mentioned earlier in the thread and just wanted to emphasize and expand on it.

Imagine , for tanks, your combo was basically Frontline/pvp variant (One button press continues your combo string of, say, Heavy Swing>Maim>Storm's Path/Eye). You had a singular Dot Gcd. And then, to fill the rest of your class load out, about 10 different variants of Rampart of various effects and cooldowns. That is tragically what playing healer has, and as you can imagine, isn't very engaging

Even the PvP combo still has an animation change over time with an increase in power as you keep it up, Glare spam is still worse than that. But yes, that's more or less what healers are like at the moment.

Honestly, even current DRK isn't much better than the healers, the only thing not making it play like healers is the sheer amount of oGCD spam it has every 60s. Once you've got that done, you press your singular combo and every 20-25s you can press Bloodspiller, the only difference between healers during that filler is the 5-10s difference between the DoT and Bloodspiller.

[mellii]

I saw this mentioned earlier in the thread and just wanted to emphasize and expand on it.

Imagine , for tanks, your combo was basically Frontline/pvp variant (One button press continues your combo string of, say, Heavy Swing>Maim>Storm's Path/Eye). You had a singular Dot Gcd. And then, to fill the rest of your class load out, about 10 different variants of Rampart of various effects and cooldowns. That is tragically what playing healer has, and as you can imagine, isn't very engaging

While I can totally understand if someone finds healer unengaging at the moment, I feel like describing it like this makes it look worse than it actually is. Even with white mage you still have stuff like asize, Afflatus Misery and the new 3 hit combo in the burst phase in Dawntrail after presence of mind. Of course understandable if those things don't matter that much to someone and to find it uninteresting to play anyway. But I feel like there is no reason to describe it even more barebones than it is or will be (especially if the goal is to describe healer gameplay to someone who doesn't play healer)

[Supersnow845]

While I can totally understand if someone finds healer unengaging at the moment, I feel like describing it like this makes it look worse than it actually is. Even with white mage you still have stuff like asize, Afflatus Misery and the new 3 hit combo in the burst phase in Dawntrail after presence of mind. Of course understandable if those things don't matter that much to someone and to find it uninteresting to play anyway. But I feel like there is no reason to describe it even more barebones than it is or will be (especially if the goal is to describe healer gameplay to someone who doesn't play healer)

The three hit combo after POM and misery amounts to 5 GCD’s per 2 minutes, at the base 2.5 second GCD there is 48 GCD’s per 2 minutes, so this is changing a tiny bit more than 10% of your glare casts

Let’s be generous and add in the 6 blue lily’s to get the 2 red lily’s, we are now at 11/48 or 22% of our GCD’s. So 22% of our GCD’s aren’t glare or the 4 dia’s

Let’s add in dia 15/48 or 31%

So glare is 69% of your button presses even given these changes

It’s not as bad as people say, it’s worse

[mellii]

The three hit combo after POM and misery amounts to 5 GCD’s per 2 minutes, at the base 2.5 second GCD there is 48 GCD’s per 2 minutes, so this is changing a tiny bit more than 10% of your glare casts

Let’s be generous and add in the 6 blue lily’s to get the 2 red lily’s, we are now at 11/48 or 22% of our GCD’s. So 22% of our GCD’s aren’t glare or the 4 dia’s

Let’s add in dia 15/48 or 31%

So glare is 69% of your button presses even given these changes

It’s not as bad as people say, it’s worse

I am a little bit confused about your comment especially the last line, which makes it sound like I was downplaying the general complains, which I don't think I did? my comment was only about the wording of a specific post (which I think didn't describe something accurately)

31% of the GCD not being glare is more than I expected though, but good to know. Always good to have the numbers

[Supersnow845]

I am a little bit confused about your comment especially the last line, which makes it sound like I was downplaying the general complains, which I don't think I did? my comment was only about the wording of a specific post (which I think didn't describe something accurately)

31% of the GCD not being glare is more than I expected though, but good to know. Always good to have the numbers

69% of your total casts after a change to give more damage being glarereally amounts to functionally nothing at all especially when over half those 31% are heals first anyway

In terms of day to day gameplay “1 button 1 DOT 25 ramparts” is an accurate representation of healer gameplay but you are right it’s not perfect because there is some nuance

[GoodPerson]

While I can totally understand if someone finds healer unengaging at the moment, I feel like describing it like this makes it look worse than it actually is. Even with white mage you still have stuff like asize, Afflatus Misery and the new 3 hit combo in the burst phase in Dawntrail after presence of mind. Of course understandable if those things don't matter that much to someone and to find it uninteresting to play anyway. But I feel like there is no reason to describe it even more barebones than it is or will be (especially if the goal is to describe healer gameplay to someone who doesn't play healer)

Yes, admittedly it is a over exaggeration but All of those have a decently long cooldown of 60-120 seconds, plus that's in context to white mage. Sch, for example, doesn't really want to use Energy Drain as it isn't that much damage(plus doesn't particularly look that interesting visually to use), and from my knoweldge doesn't have much else in the way of damage tools beyond their new damage button after their 120 sec cd Strategem.

[mellii]

Yes, admittedly it is a over exaggeration but All of those have a decently long cooldown of 60-120 seconds, plus that's in context to white mage. Sch, for example, doesn't really want to use Energy Drain as it isn't that much damage(plus doesn't particularly look that interesting visually to use), and from my knoweldge doesn't have much else in the way of damage tools beyond their new damage button after their 120 sec cd Strategem.

Understandable. I have to admit scholar is the only healer I never really touched much myself so don't know much about it. (mostly only playing regen healers, and scholar is most likely my least played job in total in the game). Most likely just took the post more literal than it was actually meant

[DivineP]

Oh yeah i forgot to mention this the otherday as a generally pretty good point. Theres only been a very few handful of debuffs to remove(through esuna) in new content , and while it's not a novel idea or anything, the variety of occasionally having a debuff to clear is in a odd way, very fun

Just spat half a cup of my coffee out of my nose. In what content?

[GoodPerson]

Just spat half a cup of my coffee out of my nose. In what content?

Theres a couple, but most memorable for me was in Epic of Alexander. Around Phase 1 party gets inflicted with a throttle debuff with a 12~ second duration that needed to be cleansed with a esuna. Failure to cleanse just caused a insta KO going through resistances and immunities.