#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Jojoya]

We just barely have a function anymore

That depends on who you play with and what content you're doing.

I was running Innocence EX (unsynced) last night with my Marilith FC and some friends of the FC because they wanted to mount farm (I already have the mount, was just there to help). I got to play Glare Mage for about the first 20 seconds of each kill before all hell would break loose and about the only damage I could squeeze in was the occasional Dia, Assize on CD and Misery (and the lilies couldn't come fast enough). Yes, I needed to use GCD heals on top of oGCDs. I even did a bit of tanking as WHM while the MT was having issues with their internet connection (there was a second tank that never bothered to turn on their tank stance at all even with the MT's connection issues).

Last week I had a Tower of Zot run where the tank did not use their defensives at all. That's the sort of thing normally seen with new tanks in ARR content, not from a level 84 tank yet there it was.

Occasionally, I fill in PFs listed by players trying to get the level 90 MSQ trials completed without long waits in Duty Finder. I've been using the healer LB3 a lot because some of these PFs are half filled with first timers who don't know the mechanics. I want them to get to participate, not watch as 2 Warriors and I take another 5-7 minutes to kill the boss without them.

Even when things are going right, there will be players to heal. It may not be as frequent but it's still there and I'm interweaving the heals with my DPS. I'm not sitting there pressing just one button all the time. I could probably count on one hand the number of times when I've been matched to players so good that healing was not needed at all.

But those occasions do tell me that other healers who spend more time playing with the good players will end up bored. Most normal content has very little unavoidable damage to party members other than the tanks, and tanks have the tools they need to take care of themselves (when they bother to use them properly).

Party wide unavoidable damage needs to be more frequent. It doesn't have to be a brutal amount that keeps a healer spamming their GCDs once their oGCDs run out but it needs to be there. Just as DPS want a health bar with lots of health to empty out, healers need partially emptied party health bars to fill back up. Not much fun to be a healer when those health bars never empty out enough to need any healing.

More random damage to single party members at time would also be welcome. Part of the fun of healing is reacting to what is happening and keeping an eye on health bars to toss out that heal to the player that suddenly lost half their HP. Again, the amount doesn't have to be brutal. It doesn't have to be high pressure "heal them full now because they're going to die in 5 seconds if you don't" in normal content. But it needs to happen enough to keep us on our toes as healers.

If we've got something to heal more often than not, we're not going to be worried about what DPS tools are in our kit.

I play with casuals too, and we do roulettes with 3 dps and War.

Casual is really a useless word because it means so many different things to different people.

Skill is what is relevant here. There are skilled players who know what to do competently though not optimally. There are highly skilled players who know how to play optimally. There are lesser skilled players who for whatever reason don't use things in their toolkits that they should. Then there are the unskilled players who are still trying to figure out what to do.

You're not playing with casuals. You're playing with skilled players or better. But they're not representative of the entire player base. No single small group of players is.

I don't see the value of people of repeating their forum posts for content creators/devolpers. That critique can be found here. It is here. Even streamers and influensers are disagreeing with each other and the problems raised here. Some value purely being able to heal. Some would like more damage buttons. Are you suggesting healers should divide into teams behind their champion of preferred style? That will help even less. One thing I've heard is that there isn't that much healing at any difficulty. That should tell the devs enough. This thread has many people tell why they don't play healer anymore. That should be enough. Not to mention the links to other theads for reference.

So far there a lot of those who have had a knee jerk reaction to this thread, trolls and those who don't really play healers.

It seems your advice is to be more loud through creators and be more precise with your critique. That is partialy happening already as they are already making vidos about this thread and the subject. So it sounds like you suggest not really doing anything.

I'm not asking them to repeat their forum posts.

I'm saying get their personal stories as healers. Who's been posting their personal story as healer? All I see is a bunch of healers saying they're bored.

Bring the human side of things into the picture, not just the critiques of what you personally feel is wrong.

1) I’m a healer main, I got a group of friends together that are decidedly average and I went onto WAR (I play WAR so little I don’t even have my hotbars set up for it), we 1T3D every dungeon in DT near effortlessly, I actively chased vuln stacks in the Expert dingeoms, the bosses couldn’t touch me on 8 stacks, I physically wasn’t allowed to die. And I am not a good tank

Are you certain they're only "average"? Also, I think you mean EW, not DT.

You're also demonstrating the problem with tanks, not a problem with healers. Still, not every tank is going to perform that well. They may not have gear at the same ilvl as you. Some tanks barely hit min ilvl requirements, which currently would be 620 for Expert right now. Players in 650+ will have a substantially easier time due to increased damage dealt, increased HP and increased defense rating on the gear. They may not have a good grasp of how to rotate through their defensive CDs. They may not be doing their combos properly to keep up the passive self-healing/shields.

Yes, good players are going to have it easy in any dungeons outside of Criterion. Average or lesser players aren't. And that is why they need healers even if your friends don't.

[Kes13a]

I'm not asking them to repeat their forum posts.

I'm saying get their personal stories as healers. Who's been posting their personal story as healer? All I see is a bunch of healers saying they're bored.

Bring the human side of things into the picture, not just the critiques of what you personally feel is wrong.

this, I am going to say is misleading. you post on the forums enough. online forums are, at best, dumpster fires. you KNOW this.

so now, your suggestion, because the suggestion about reasonable posts with examples and things that have been ignored for years didnt fly, is for people to open themselves up for the rampant trolls and post "personal stories on why they are healers"?

ooookay. thanks for the advice.....

[Aravell]

this, I am going to say is misleading. you post on the forums enough. online forums are, at best, dumpster fires. you KNOW this.

so now, your suggestion, because the suggestion about reasonable posts with examples and things that have been ignored for years didnt fly, is for people to open themselves up for the rampant trolls and post "personal stories on why they are healers"?

ooookay. thanks for the advice.....

I can already see it now.

If someone is naive enough to follow this advice and open up about their personal stories on the forums, the replies would be stuff like:
"Ok, didn't ask"
"This isn't your blog"
"No one asked for your life story"

[kyyninen_kirahvi]

I'm not asking them to repeat their forum posts.

I'm saying get their personal stories as healers. Who's been posting their personal story as healer? All I see is a bunch of healers saying they're bored.

Bring the human side of things into the picture, not just the critiques of what you personally feel is wrong.

Are you suggesting players who want Kaiten back write personal essays why they need it? Are you suggesting people who are not satisfied with BLM changes tell their life stories?

Are you really suggesting this?

I know this is a strawman but are you really serious

[GrimGale]

I'm saying get their personal stories as healers. Who's been posting their personal story as healer? All I see is a bunch of healers saying they're bored.

I remember playing Stormblood. Running a dungeon as a Scholar, the one with the trenches and the twin garlean gals at the en boss. I remember thinking, whoa, I'm barely even healing now. Just Miasma II, Bio, Bane...Excog is up, I hope it detonates this time. This Paladin keeps using Clemency on themselves everytime they drop down 80%. Well- I feel a bit insulted. They were never in danger.

"I barely have anything to heal here" - I thought. "I'm going to try and get a static next expansion. I really want to go back to raiding in this game."

Flashforward to ShB announcements.

"Hey, my dps skills are gone! I really hate it. I really hope this means now we'll get our hands full with focused healing. Or else healing will be really really boring."

I got a static for ShB and we cleared most tiers of Eden. (I missed completing p12 we did beat first phase, we kinda got sidetracked with other stuff.) I remember already being fed up with healing.

EW came and I was hoping to see changes to the damage kit for healers. None came.

"Hey if you want to dps play SGE, they've made it for you." Maybe I'll give it a chance. Even though we already knew SGE was barely any different I tried it. "Maybe THIS time we'll have to heal more?"

P7s with my static. That was my tipping point. We cleared it the first time, I played SGE.

I had 170+ casts of Dosis. Unoptimized. With mistakes. Deaths. My partner , a WHM, had 160 casts of Glare.

7 out of 11 minutes pressing the same button.

We never got to P8s. Something else happened and we didn't finish the tier. I was honestly pretty bored at that point.

[Supersnow845]

I remember playing Stormblood. Running a dungeon as a Scholar, the one with the trenches and the twin garlean gals at the en boss. I remember thinking, whoa, I'm barely even healing now. Just Miasma II, Bio, Bane...Excog is up, I hope it detonates this time. This Paladin keeps using Clemency on themselves everytime they drop down 80%. Well- I feel a bit insulted. They were never in danger.

"I barely have anything to heal here" - I thought. "I'm going to try and get a static next expansion. I really want to go back to raiding in this game."

Flashforward to ShB announcements.

"Hey, my dps skills are gone! I really hate it. I really hope this means now we'll get our hands full with focused healing. Or else healing will be really really boring."

I got a static for ShB and we cleared most tiers of Eden. (I missed completing p12 we did beat first phase, we kinda got sidetracked with other stuff.) I remember already being fed up with healing.

EW came and I was hoping to see changes to the damage kit for healers. None came.

"Hey if you want to dps play SGE, they've made it for you." Maybe I'll give it a chance. Even though we already knew SGE was barely any different I tried it. "Maybe THIS time we'll have to heal more?"

P7s with my static. That was my tipping point. We cleared it the first time, I played SGE.

I had 170+ casts of Dosis. Unoptimized. With mistakes. Deaths. My partner , a WHM, had 160 casts of Glare.

7 out of 11 minutes pressing the same button.

We never got to P8s. Something else happened and we didn't finish the tier. I was honestly pretty bored at that point.

I don’t think you could have made this physically more annoying to read if you tried and I don’t even know why I hate it so much

10/10 I love it

[WaxSw]

Wait...all this thread for a 3 to 4 month old build, without seeing and playing things yourself and based on the first MSQ dungeon being completed by Ultimate raiders with no healer?

Even in roulettes I need to heal or people die, not everyone plays well all the time. Yes dps rotation is simple but you weave heals throughout. If you just want to dps play a dps. I cant see the issue. Sorry.

We already know how it'll play because there are no changes other than potencies at best, and the DT changes barely change how any job plays.

You don't need stellar players to clear without healer because shit barely hits and non healer sustain is at an all time high. In the video of the dungeon clear dps and tanks got hit and still cleared fine.

We barely weave any heals, easily 70-80% of our actions, including ogcd heals, are dps actions thats why we ask for changes. We want to have fun and if we what do the most is dpsing, we want a fun dps rotation.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

Even if Dawntrail manages to be a healer paradise, they've backed themselves into a corner by giving healers only heals, a nuke spells, and a DoT.

They cannot keep it up and even if they somehow do it won't make roulettes more interesting either. Jobs need to be baseline engaging and DPS tools that are always relevant is an obvious way to do it.

[Post]

Someone posted that giant wall of text about healer issues four years ago and it got looked at and answered in a Q&A with what essentially amounted to "We're working on it.", then it resulted in an awful lot of nothing in the present.

It's hard to say what will properly get the point across if that didn't work.

It's linked in the OP here, too.

Gemima, if you're reading this, to echo the sentiment of others in this thread already suggesting it, it should be revealable on the OP itself instead of another thread at this point. Frankly, that healer thread post reads a little less ridiculously than calling it a 'manifesto'.

Plus, folks can see the date on that thread.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

Sure, with practice, but in a party with a mentor who hasn't run it in months, and two sprouts running it for the first time, of course someone's going to mess up a mechanic. A dungeon run where everyone executes every mechanic perfectly is a rarity in this--or any--video game. Designing around the assumption that players are going to be a) experienced and b) perfect seems like a approach that's guaranteed to fail.

And it's equally foolish to assume players will always be stumbling and making frequent mistakes.

A diverse kit of both heals and DPS tools like tanks posses with their mit would allow us to adapt ourselves instead of only being relevant in one or the other situation