#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[TheDustyOne]

Also, to go back to that green dps belief for a second, what makes me even more averse to it is the fact that I've seen with my own eyes how much toxicity has sprouted from it.
It's now become commonplace on this forum/Reddit/etc. to ridicule and frankly, bully other players because they don't agree with the idea that they should be prioritizing DPS if they're not playing a DPS. It's now become commonplace for people to perpetuate the untrue belief that "In Final Fantasy 14, every class is a DPS. If you don't like this, play WoW", even though Yoshida-san, the director of the game, has made it clear in the past that healers aren't really expected to DPS in this game (which, was met with rudeness and callousness by many on Reddit upon learning this) and now, with the changes made in ShB and beyond, the game has made it even more clear that healers aren't dps, which many people are once again responding to with poor attitudes, vitriol, and toxicity.

Because mathematically it's wrong for healers to not be DPSing in Extreme and Savage, otherwise enrage hits and no one clears. What Yoshi-P has said and what the game is designed for are currently in conflict. The removal of the damage buttons has led to an adverse effect where people have had a playstyle they enjoyed ripped from them, and asking for it back is somehow "disrespectful"? What about those who decided to have it ripped from them? Weren't they being disrespectful? Why does it only go one way?

[ty_taurus]

With all due respect. I saw many of your, and others' replies from the EN forum get removed by the JP forum for being rude/disrespectful/etc. and even as I've been reading through a lot of the replies on this thread, I'm seeing the same disrespectful & rude attitudes almost constantly.

I don't know who specifically other than two people have been rude over in JP, but I can tell you one of those was going to JP to trash talk the people in favor of the strike. The other person... That person seems more of someone on their own agenda and is kind of obnoxious. I would just ask that you hold the individual accountable for their actions rather than the group. No one is telling people they need to go harass JP forums or condoning that.

[Turtledeluxe]

I don't know who specifically other than two people have been rude over in JP, but I can tell you one of those was going to JP to trash talk the people in favor of the strike. The other person... That person seems more of someone on their own agenda and is kind of obnoxious. I would just ask that you hold the individual accountable for their actions rather than the group. No one is telling people they need to go harass JP forums or condoning that.

Yes. I'm getting a little tired of people waltzing in and claiming pro strike users are calling people names or being otherwise rude. This is the least rude game criticism topic possibly ever. The users being most rude and condescending are the critics, no question.

How about if you want to write an essay defaming us you back it up with a direct quote or a screenshot? Otherwise you will just be respectfully disregarded.

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You still haven't seen the media tour footage I suppose? I feel like we discussed it 50 pages back. Perhaps you forgot. Dawntrail has been played, very casually, and the first dungeon is the same as always...tank fodder.

You could make an argument that it isn't finalized or doesn't represent the rest of the expansion, even though those are both highly unlikely.

[ty_taurus]

Yes. I'm getting a little tired of people waltzing in and claiming pro strike users are calling people names or being otherwise rude. This is the least rude game criticism topic possibly ever. The users being most rude and condescending are the critics, no question.

How about if you want to write an essay defaming us you back it up with a direct quote or a screenshot? Otherwise you will just be respectfully disregarded.

I've definitely had some intense back and forths before with some people (Hi, Ren, how you doin?) But in this thread I've been very patient with people and the only time I've said anything even remotely snarky was at people who literally came in guns blazing, or lashed out at me.

[Calysto]

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[ty_taurus]

Personally, I'm not on board with this movement as I believe that healers' priority should always be healing, and I disagree fundamentally with the "green dps" idea that some people think should apply to healers. I also heal, and I nearly always find it to be very enjoyable and engaging.

Respectfully, what is wrong with having healers approach DPS in a variety of ways? Something I've been echoing as someone who wants a healer that has a very aggressive play style with a wider variety of attacks, I would like to see Sage develop that play style both because that's a part of its described identity and also because there are some people who want that. But not every healer should be the same, and there should be a spectrum of healers.

Absolutely, I'm focused on the particular individuals who are causing trouble over there and my unhappiness is directed at them, as I've been reading through this thread on the EN forums, I've been seeing a lot of people get a bit disrespectful/hostile towards one another, so
I just wanted to bring some awareness to those individuals who are doing this.


To be honest, I've even seen a bit of that kind of attitude in this thread from you, ty taurus.

I have done my best to address people with the respect they have shown coming into these conversations. Any arguments I've engaged with are from people who were rude and disrespectful either from the start or toward me. Including some people that I initially addressed politely until they lashed back at me for no reason.

[Aword3213]

For a large amount of the playerbase healers will be needed and they will be cherished, because a large amount of the playerbase isn't equipped with gear at or near the maximum iLvl along with materia, and they will totally understandably make frequent mistakes while playing (such as standing in AOEs, forgetting a mechanic, etc.) because they're human, and healers are needed for this.

In normal content, bosses give you plenty of time to recover even if you manage to fail every possible encounter. Bosses in later expansions take more time to cast their room wide aoe. Their mechanics take multiple cast bars to to acutally come out. You can't possibly die when there's nothing happening.

[OliviaLugria]

@Teno

With all due respect. I saw many of your, and others' replies from the EN forum get removed by the JP forum for being rude/disrespectful/etc. and even as I've been reading through a lot of the replies on this thread, I'm seeing the same disrespectful & rude attitudes almost constantly.

Personally, I'm not on board with this movement as I believe that healers' priority should always be healing, and I disagree fundamentally with the "green dps" idea that some people think should apply to healers. I also heal, and I nearly always find it to be very enjoyable and engaging. Depending on the group, duty you're doing, the experience will vary, but I believe that's an inherent facet of the role, and not just the healer role, any role. I've even seen groups complete content without any Tanks before, just having the party composed of DPS and the healer(s).


Also, to go back to that green dps belief for a second, what makes me even more averse to it is the fact that I've seen with my own eyes how much toxicity has sprouted from it.
It's now become commonplace on this forum/Reddit/etc. to ridicule and frankly, bully other players because they don't agree with the idea that they should be prioritizing DPS if they're not playing a DPS. It's now become commonplace for people to perpetuate the untrue belief that "In Final Fantasy 14, every class is a DPS. If you don't like this, play WoW", even though Yoshida-san, the director of the game, has made it clear in the past that healers aren't really expected to DPS in this game (which, was met with rudeness and callousness by many on Reddit upon learning this) and now, with the changes made in ShB and beyond, the game has made it even more clear that healers aren't dps, which many people are once again responding to with poor attitudes, vitriol, and toxicity.

I hope you are having a good time while here. We tend to be much more heated, should I post on your forums, I will of course respect your culture and atmosphere of your forums. I respect that you think healers should heal. Healer kits have so many heal spells and abilities. I have a similar opinion of the tank role. Tanks should tank. Focus on holding hate and mitigating damage. In this respect, they are to much like "blue dps" and I do not like this. They should reduce the number of damage buttons to maybe 4 or 5 and expand on the different types of mitigation abilities. This is much more engaging and much closer to what an ideal tank should be. I good tank shouldn't be based on how much damage they deal, but how well they stop incoming damage.

[Local_Custard]

I hope for the day ast gets their cards back to having flavor. That is but a pipe dream I have...