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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Okay let’s just go with the assumption that he is 1% (it’s irrelevant anyway)

    Why is him being 1% any different than being 99% considering you don’t need any job knowledge to play current tanks in a way that deletes the healers

    Can you press your short mitigation roughly on CD and press your shares mitigation to help with raidwide damage- if yes you don’t need a healer
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    I like how no one actually watched the video and is instead just either mad about the headline or defending the headline based on an e-celeb's reputation.
    This is important because if you actually watch the video you see how non-optimal the gameplay is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    I like how no one actually watched the video and is instead just either mad about the headline or defending the headline based on an e-celeb's reputation.
    This is important because if you actually watch the video you see how non-optimal the gameplay is.
    That would require holding your nose to watch the bald man act like a manchild to be fair.

    But yes, they were taking tons of vuln stacks and died to mechs constantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    I like how no one actually watched the video and is instead just either mad about the headline or defending the headline based on an e-celeb's reputation.
    This is important because if you actually watch the video you see how non-optimal the gameplay is.
    I have no interest in watching a Bald 40 year old with an 18 year old wife, sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClayyLmao View Post
    I have no interest in watching a Bald 40 year old with an 18 year old wife, sorry
    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderClone View Post
    That would require holding your nose to watch the bald man act like a manchild to be fair.

    But yes, they were taking tons of vuln stacks and died to mechs constantly.
    Look I hate him too but thats what the volume slider is for
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    This is important because if you actually watch the video you see how non-optimal the gameplay is.
    Not only that, it's also worth remembering as well that completely unplanned examples exist as well from the Dawntrail Media Tour. Here's an example. They have two separate pulls where the rest of the party dies and the WAR attempts to very slowly solo the boss. In the second pull (where the timestamp starts), the WAR takes the boss from about 50% to zero despite hitting 2 vuln stacks on multiple occasions. You can be quite careless and still survive solo.

    It doesn't matter who attempts it, you'll likely see lots of newer WAR players keeping themselves up endlessly because of the amount of built-in regens and on demand burst heals. It's not just healers who should be arguing against the encroachment on their role. Tanks should be arguing against this type of design as well, because it devalues the skill required to actually tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    Not only that, it's also worth remembering as well that completely unplanned examples exist as well from the Dawntrail Media Tour. Here's an example. They have two separate pulls where the rest of the party dies and the WAR attempts to very slowly solo the boss. In the second pull (where the timestamp starts), the WAR takes the boss from about 50% to zero despite hitting 2 vuln stacks on multiple occasions. You can be quite careless and still survive solo.

    It doesn't matter who attempts it, you'll likely see lots of newer WAR players keeping themselves up endlessly because of the amount of built-in regens and on demand burst heals. It's not just healers who should be arguing against the encroachment on their role. Tanks should be arguing against this type of design as well, because it devalues the skill required to actually tank.
    thats the main reason I am behind this. there is CLEARLY a problem with job design that the devs have been doubling down on for a while now. I know their intention is "chill" game play, but lets face it, its approaching brain dead game play. this is certainly not a new issue in 14, but now we are told to wait another expansion before they look into it? not sure I buy that story any more.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Maybe I’m just misunderstanding trinity MMO’s but I’d still say something is broken if an entire role can be invalidated because one player happened to good at the game. Additionally, ‘it’s supposed to easy’ isn’t justification for invalidating the function of an entire role. I mean, does anything really need to be that easy lol?

    In a game with tanks, healers, and dps, I really can’t think of any reasonable justification to take any one of those three roles and say ‘let’s make this one not really count and let everyone else do its job instead’.

    It wouldn’t be considered even close to reasonable if healers could significantly out-damage actual dps to the point that people started dropping dps from their parties. And vice-versa with tanks.

    If the ‘healer’ role is going to continue existing in FFXIV, the least they could do actually think about maybe making them have to, idk, heal every now and then. They could also Manage MP, resources, balancing out personal dps, supporting the party / weakening the enemy. Whatever.

    Anything beyond ‘My role [Healer] exists to press 1 button 193838 times while the tank/dps use their many, many mitigation/healing cooldowns to do my job for me’
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    Wow, Healers, good job, I hope you're happy, your inconsiderate strike that won't work but will also rudely inconvenience everyone else by working too well, has now also ruined the Google page summary for the FFXIV Forums:



    This is the world that Healers want!! We can't let them have their way!!
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    Aluena Mahri
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eorzean_username View Post
    Wow, Healers, good job, I hope you're happy, your inconsiderate strike that won't work but will also rudely inconvenience everyone else by working too well, has now also ruined the Google page summary for the FFXIV Forums:



    This is the world that Healers want!! We can't let them have their way!!

    Pushing this as far as it goes has no downsides for anyone.
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    ~Mew

    ~~Thank You Niqo'te

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