SE please stop the buying housing with alts on the new DC's

[Themarvin]

SE, this is the time to prohibit this kind of activity for good meaning to be able to do so, you must give up eg. house or FC on the other server where was from, or if in need to be established a few months permitted then given the option to disband FC and or land on other servers.

Current system is abused, and is all from a bot central to RMT factories as it is today.

[Gokki]

Houses should be restricted to one house per region per service account without grandfathering. This includes FC houses so if you have an FC house you can't have a regular one.
This is the last restriction that is needed, and make sure to demolish all extra houses except the last one visited. If you have an FC house the FC house gets priority, if one has several FCs then the latest visited one counts.
This should free up a lot of houses for regular folks to bid on.

[justausername]

Houses should be restricted to one house per region per service account without grandfathering. This includes FC houses so if you have an FC house you can't have a regular one.
This is the last restriction that is needed, and make sure to demolish all extra houses except the last one visited. If you have an FC house the FC house gets priority, if one has several FCs then the latest visited one counts.
This should free up a lot of houses for regular folks to bid on.

Okay cool. can't have houses on multiple servers. but why shouldn't you be able to have a personal if you have an FC house? Who owns the FC house? The FC does, yes? So does that then mean every person in an FC cannot have a house? That's ridiculous. The leader of the FC does not own the house. If you said they did, and then they didn't log in for 30 days, and leadership auto transferred to someone who DOES have a personal house, suddenly their house or the FC house gets deleted, no warning, depending on which was last visited? That would cause riots. You have no control over when other people log in, or who gets control of the FC if leadership is passed from someone not logging in for a long time.

[BristolRuss]

Houses should be restricted to one house per region per service account without grandfathering. This includes FC houses so if you have an FC house you can't have a regular one.
This is the last restriction that is needed, and make sure to demolish all extra houses except the last one visited. If you have an FC house the FC house gets priority, if one has several FCs then the latest visited one counts.
This should free up a lot of houses for regular folks to bid on.

The problem with that is that FC's can change leadership. What happens if the leadership changes to someone who already has a house? Does it get deleted? Seems unfair when FC leadership can change automatically if the leader doesn't log in for a while.

[1313]

just give up on housing entirely. they cant be bothered to fix it and allow single players to own multiple wards. just forget it.

[Infindox]

Houses should be restricted to one house per region per service account without grandfathering. This includes FC houses so if you have an FC house you can't have a regular one.
This is the last restriction that is needed, and make sure to demolish all extra houses except the last one visited. If you have an FC house the FC house gets priority, if one has several FCs then the latest visited one counts.
This should free up a lot of houses for regular folks to bid on.

It's common for people to end up in a position of house control within an FC. How would you determine who is the "owner" at that point? Before we moved to our Large plot, we grabbed a Medium and one of my FC friends paid for it (split the cost but I gave my gil to them). Should they lose their house then even though I'm the leader?

I'm all for having more houses to be bid on, but you're attacking a part of the playerbase with your idea, most of whom own a personal house fair and square and also help with an FC, and who aren't the problem with the system in the first place.

[Merrigan]

The problem is not the alts, the ‘duplication’ of personal house and fc house, but the system itself. Stop yelling at other players: it's the game itself that's badly designed.

I'd also like to tackle the submarine, which is a very bad idea, but I'm going to get an earful.

[Gokki]

Okay cool. can't have houses on multiple servers. but why shouldn't you be able to have a personal if you have an FC house? Who owns the FC house? The FC does, yes? So does that then mean every person in an FC cannot have a house? That's ridiculous. The leader of the FC does not own the house. If you said they did, and then they didn't log in for 30 days, and leadership auto transferred to someone who DOES have a personal house, suddenly their house or the FC house gets deleted, no warning, depending on which was last visited? That would cause riots. You have no control over when other people log in, or who gets control of the FC if leadership is passed from someone not logging in for a long time.

You could think a little longer and just make it work. Leadership won't be transfered to someone else who already has a house, or they could become a Custodian - can control it like the owner without owning it per-se until someone shows up. Certain housing and FC functions would be blocked until house ownership is trasfered. You can make it work, just takes more than 10 seconds to come up with a system to cover the edge cases.

The problem with that is that FC's can change leadership. What happens if the leadership changes to someone who already has a house? Does it get deleted? Seems unfair when FC leadership can change automatically if the leader doesn't log in for a while.

They can't change to that person. "Unable to transfer leadership to Bristol Russ as they already own a property."

[Gokki]

It's common for people to end up in a position of house control within an FC. How would you determine who is the "owner" at that point? Before we moved to our Large plot, we grabbed a Medium and one of my FC friends paid for it (split the cost but I gave my gil to them). Should they lose their house then even though I'm the leader?

I'm all for having more houses to be bid on, but you're attacking a part of the playerbase with your idea, most of whom own a personal house fair and square and also help with an FC, and who aren't the problem with the system in the first place.

When the system is implemented there will be a grace period for existing owners to sort out who owns what. If they're unwilling to give up their personal house they can excuse themselves from being an FC leader or demolish the FC house. It's a choice to be made on a case-by-case and personal level. There would be ample warnings (including in-game mails), a grace period based on people logging in and a choice dialog when the time comes - everyone would be able to choose which one to keep, which one to transfer, etc. There are many ways to do it, it's not difficult imo.

The reality is that a lot of people make small FCs just to get around the restrictions for FCs and Large plots, including extensive use of alts. It's not fair to everyone else and it's an easy sacrifice i'm willing to make so more people can have access to houses.
Anyone arguing against this is part of the problem and not letting newer players participate in the housing system.

Yes, the system is not very well designed, that's why we're arguing here FOR a better design, these restrictions make it more fair to everyone and let newer players participate in the housing gameplay. It's fine.

[sindriiisgaming]

SE, this is the time to prohibit this kind of activity for good meaning to be able to do so, you must give up eg. house or FC on the other server where was from, or if in need to be established a few months permitted then given the option to disband FC and or land on other servers.

Current system is abused, and is all from a bot central to RMT factories as it is today.

there is currently nothing in place to stop me making an alt on shadow and buying a house. so.. i will. why.. because i can. there are not going to be maybe players already so i see absolutely nothing wrong with occasionally logging in for that sweet sweet mansion