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  1. #1
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    Kesmar's Avatar
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    Hanekawa Celphast
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100

    Please give the option to separate Pictomancer combos

    Why are the old jobs its an option to consolidate combos into one button, but it's forced on you for Pictomancer and Viper? If all I'm doing for filler is mashing a single button while I wait on my cooldowns my brain is going to delete into mush. Jobs have already been too simplified in modern XIV, please at least let me move my fingers so I don't fall asleep at the keyboard.
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    Kosachi's Avatar
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    Alice Cellenia
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    Behemoth
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    Bard Lv 95
    Just seconding this. I personally like my hotbars as busy and verbose as possible so the option would be nice to have.
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    Leona Lunasch
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    Coeurl
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Bringing this back after seeing the tooltips. Please let me break the combos apart. What's the point of giving viper 8 buttons in its 'rotation' if we're only ever allowed to press 1 or 2? I understand why the consolidation is there, but please make it optional.
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    I gave AST a shot, and it's still miserable to play, even to think about. Worst iteration by far. Praying for 8.0, I guess...

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    Kesmar's Avatar
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    Hanekawa Celphast
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    Cactuar
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    Yeah. If I'm mashing a single button as filler, imma lose focus on the fight itself. Keeping me engaged on my job is essential to also keep my focus on the fight and its mechanics. Fall asleep on one and I fall asleep on both. Summoner was removed from the game in EW as far as I'm concerned, I cannot play that job anymore. Even something as simple as letting me do my 1-2-3 as a 1-2-3 and not a 1-1-1 and then shift my fingers over to 4-5-6 when its time for black paint is tremendously better than mashing 1111111 and sometimes a 222. Let me move my fingers around, keep me doing something at all time.
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    Leona Lunasch
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    I even did the math... unconsolidated, viper doesnt even have more buttons than some of the busiest jobs, all of which are jobs I enjoy. If I can fit my astro hotbars, I can fit my viper ones. I'd just like the choice. It's unfair that xivcombo is forced upon us for only the new jobs.
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    I gave AST a shot, and it's still miserable to play, even to think about. Worst iteration by far. Praying for 8.0, I guess...

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    Lyth's Avatar
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    Lythia Norvaine
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    Gilgamesh
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    Viper Lv 100
    Unconsolidated VPR has 42 actions with no utility bloat.
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    Leona Lunasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    Unconsolidated VPR has 42 actions with no utility bloat.
    Meh, I miscounted then. I still have the hotbar space for it, and I'd like the option. I use 4 hotbars with 12345qerfg with two mouse buttons, and then shift/ctrl/alt modifiers to each. I got 48 buttons to work with. I also only want to unconsolidate the dualblades filler 123 and the aoe variant, not the enshroud/continuation buttons. Those are fine. So I'd just have 30 buttons.
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    Last edited by Kissune; 06-08-2024 at 11:27 AM.
    I gave AST a shot, and it's still miserable to play, even to think about. Worst iteration by far. Praying for 8.0, I guess...

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    Lythia Norvaine
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    Gilgamesh
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    Interestingly, you're specifically not allowed to consolidate your Reawaken window, as the First and Second Generations map to your dual blade GCD slots, the Third and Fourth Generations map to your twinblade positionals, and the Ouroboros finisher maps to Reawaken. Only the dual blade weave action cycles automatically during Reawaken. They probably did this to keep the feel different from Continuation and Enshroud.

    The other potential issue is that the twinblade positionals each have a mandatory double weave (Twinblood + Twinfang) afterwards that both have to be executed before the GCD finishes (or they're lost). The recommendation is that you piano these keybinds because it's positional/double weave/other positional/reverse double weave. So it's not just an issue of mapping 42 keys, you need to think a bit about where you're going to actually place them.
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    Last edited by Lyth; 06-08-2024 at 04:15 PM.

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    Arkadya Dravena
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    Excalibur
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kesmar View Post
    Why are the old jobs its an option to consolidate combos into one button, but it's forced on you for Pictomancer and Viper? If all I'm doing for filler is mashing a single button while I wait on my cooldowns my brain is going to delete into mush. Jobs have already been too simplified in modern XIV, please at least let me move my fingers so I don't fall asleep at the keyboard.
    Slot them on your hotbar multiple times. I've been doing that with Gnashing fang ever since they changed it.
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    Arilaya Syldove
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    Brynhildr
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kissune View Post
    Meh, I miscounted then. I still have the hotbar space for it, and I'd like the option. I use 4 hotbars with 12345qerfg with two mouse buttons, and then shift/ctrl/alt modifiers to each. I got 48 buttons to work with. I also only want to unconsolidate the dualblades filler 123 and the aoe variant, not the enshroud/continuation buttons. Those are fine. So I'd just have 30 buttons.
    Having bar space for it does not make it fun. Personally, after factoring in utility and items, I find 32 gets unwieldy and potentially just not even fun. I prefer smarter design than bloated design.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arkdra View Post
    Slot them on your hotbar multiple times. I've been doing that with Gnashing fang ever since they changed it.
    An interesting choice. I personally love it being combined for gnashing fang, specifically, but more power to you. I'd rather have a choice than not, and copying the button 3 times is definitely a choice. Though with VPR's combos, that'd make it...interesting to follow with all the buttons flashing all the time.
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