They are doubling down the gameplay simplification... really?

[Immut]

Until you realize healers in 8.0 will be exactly as they are now, spamming their 111121111

The game would be better if every job had 2-3 damage buttons and the rest of the skills actually did something interesting.

[HighlanderClone]

The game would be better if every job had 2-3 damage buttons and the rest of the skills actually did something interesting.

So many MMOs have one third of the button and are yet more complex. Square Enix really managed to make jobs have button bloat and at the same time utterly banal.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

People thinking there will be major changes in 8.0 is just massive copium. You can more or less predict the way it'll be due to how VPR and PCT work in terms of skills, aka how one skill replaces another and you just press the glowy button. That's 8.0.

One button combo consolidation coming in 8.0..?

[Turtledeluxe]

They may have said no major* job changes until 8.0, but they said to expect encounter design changes this expansion. Now it's coming out that nothing has changed. Simple jobs and boring dungeons.

[Rozeee]

"but is crazy how BLM was the most affected"
blm isnt even changed that much, if you play it the way 95% of people dop its barely changed, at most its manafont being a near full mp charge to stay in fire longer 4 nuke,

non standard wasnt the standard way to play

Correct, non-standard is optional and not that many people use it. Standard players wouldn't feel that much difference.

Emphasis on optional. If it's optional difficulty for people who want that sort of gameplay and it does not effect the average player whatsoever, what's the point of this change other than a massive fuck you to people who actually did like it?

[Supersnow845]

Correct, non-standard is optional and not that many people use it. Standard players wouldn't feel that much difference.

Emphasis on optional. If it's optional difficulty for people who want that sort of gameplay and it does not effect the average player whatsoever, what's the point of this change other than a massive fuck you to people who actually did like it?

Standard players are going to feel the increased rigidity and the higher punishment

No sharpcast to generate weave windows, a more brutal fire phase as the punishment for dropping out of fire is now the loss of flare star, your DOT is no longer fluid you basically just press it swapping into umbral ice the loss of movement from ice paradox which could be slotted near anywhere in the ice phase for the ultra rigid fire paradox

This is ironically going to make standard harder

[Rozeee]

Standard players are going to feel the increased rigidity and the higher punishment

No sharpcast to generate weave windows, a more brutal fire phase as the punishment for dropping out of fire is now the loss of flare star, your DOT is no longer fluid you basically just press it swapping into umbral ice the loss of movement from ice paradox which could be slotted near anywhere in the ice phase for the ultra rigid fire paradox

This is ironically going to make standard harder

Flare star design sucks yes, I hope this changes so that the gauge carries over even in ice. Also hope paradox UI returns.

However, I'm willing to give benefit of the doubt in terms of movement. The change will always grant free thunder and F3 proc. From the perspective of the average player, they'll probably think they have more movement since they probably didn't maintain sharpcast perfectly in the first place.

Horrible changes overall.

[HighlanderClone]

Correct, non-standard is optional and not that many people use it. Standard players wouldn't feel that much difference.

Emphasis on optional. If it's optional difficulty for people who want that sort of gameplay and it does not effect the average player whatsoever, what's the point of this change other than a massive fuck you to people who actually did like it?

I'm certain someone on the balance team has made it their mission to remove any iota of optimization from the jobs.

Optimal drift MNK also looks to be neutered, although it's hard to say without seeing the launch potencies.