They are doubling down the gameplay simplification... really?

[Sjol]

I'm fascinated by the take that the jobs are streamlined when their tooltips are massive and overly convoluted. I think part of the problem is that they've made the abilities overly complicated in a way that doesn't allow for mixing-and-matching. They're preconstructed toys, not LEGO bricks and they really need to be the latter. Right now, they're really difficult to understand just from the tooltips alone. If the pieces are overly complex, they're only going to be effectively configured into the one thing they were designed for.

I feel like they've stripped so the battle system and in response, put that complexity into the abilities themselves. Interplay is lost and the jobs feel diminished as a result.

[Valence]

I'm fascinated by the take that the jobs are streamlined when their tooltips are massive and overly convoluted. I think part of the problem is that they've made the abilities overly complicated in a way that doesn't allow for mixing-and-matching. They're preconstructed toys, not LEGO bricks and they really need to be the latter. Right now, they're really difficult to understand just from the tooltips alone. If the pieces are overly complex, they're only going to be effectively configured into the one thing they were designed for.

I feel like they've stripped so the battle system and in response, putted that complexity into the abilities themselves. Interplay is lost and the jobs feel diminished as a result.

Yeah, you know which job has the most convoluted tooltips in Endwalker currently? Summoner (which is also very intimidating for new players amusingly).

Makes you think.


Either way I do agree with your point. I've come to the same conclusion that they constantly remove any failure state or things to manage, or any choice to do during rotations so that everything plays on its own. It's literally preconstructed toys.

[OgruMogru]

I'm fascinated by the take that the jobs are streamlined when their tooltips are massive and overly convoluted. I think part of the problem is that they've made the abilities overly complicated in a way that doesn't allow for mixing-and-matching. They're preconstructed toys, not LEGO bricks and they really need to be the latter. Right now, they're really difficult to understand just from the tooltips alone. If the pieces are overly complex, they're only going to be effectively configured into the one thing they were designed for.

I feel like they've stripped so the battle system and in response, putted that complexity into the abilities themselves. Interplay is lost and the jobs feel diminished as a result.

The tooltips are convoluted exactly because of job simplification. A lot of these interdependencies and actions leading to other more nested effects mean the tooltips have to be essay-length to cover all the stuff that's been automated and tied to 1 button press instead of spread out amongst all actions.

[undull1]

The idea that somebody got paid to design 8.0 summoner is embarrassing .

[Raikai]

Yeah, I knew that we wouldn't expect a lot of mechanic novelty in 7.0 but some jobs play exactly the same sans one button press of an action that becomes available during the 2min burst.

[sdr26]

Yoshi-P did talk about adding some kind of talent trees in a media tour interview and I feel that is the key giving players a more complex rotation. I think there should be a "causal" talent tree and a "complex" talent tree similar to Swtor. That way the devs can give everyone a choice.

[Mcg55ss]

People thinking there will be major changes in 8.0 is just massive copium. You can more or less predict the way it'll be due to how VPR and PCT work in terms of skills, aka how one skill replaces another and you just press the glowy button. That's 8.0.

So basically continuation for gnb...I don't really have a issue with that especially recognizing this is on console it's kinda been a question I asked since joining the game why more skills weren't set up this way to help controller

[Rehayem]

So basically continuation for gnb...I don't really have a issue with that especially recognizing this is on console it's kinda been a question I asked since joining the game why more skills weren't set up this way to help controller

Until you realize healers in 8.0 will be exactly as they are now, spamming their 111121111

[Immut]

Until you realize healers in 8.0 will be exactly as they are now, spamming their 111121111

The game would be better if every job had 2-3 damage buttons and the rest of the skills actually did something interesting.

[HighlanderClone]

They said they were going to make the bosses "harder" and not to fall asleep on them and I do really hope so cuz with the new job design in DT there is no other choice

lmfao

NEVER trust SE when they say they'll make things harder (the only exception is Ultimate).

They kept saying healing requirements will go up for 3 xpacs!