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  1. #1
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50

    Did tanks really need more healing

    Setting aside the terrible DPS kits for all the tanks, why have the 2 minutes defense buffs all get an extra upgrade outside of defense buff?
    Did warrior really need another way to regen with its 30 cd benediction in dungeons wouldn't upgrading the counter attack damage make far more sense. I think only Dark Knight needed a self sustain upgrade if they felt like it.
    This along with some DPS getting 500 Potency AOE heals seems like its erasing healers role and removing any form of challenge from Tanking.
    Unless Dawntrail completely changes how much damage tanks and the party recieves and make it 2000s MMO level of damage these upgrade just seem to make all the support roles seem even more mindless.
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Tanks don’t remotely need the sustain they have in EW but hey what the hell, tanks fun is worth deleting the healers

    I’m genuinely at the point I hope everyone with even a shred of competence at healing dumps the role and leaves the tanks and DPS with the cure 1 spammers because it’s obvious that’s the only way they are ever going to do anything about the current imbalance of healers
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Rithy255's Avatar
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    Rithris Amaya
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Bring a monk they can heal now for 500 potency and buff the tanks healing, Please look foward to it!

    I dunno War getting Regen is really Dumb this makes no sense at all Warrior has so much self healing adding more to it makes zero sense even if they wanted it to be the funny "green tank haha" it's at a point where more self healing is just a joke, DRK getting a 120 excog... I'm fine with, PLD getting a shield would be ok but it's kind of over the top with a 40% mitigation... honestly guardian is bar none the best upgrade imo. GNB's hp extend is... fine i guess? i dont think GNB needed more self healing.

    Imo the secondary healing effects compared to PLD's shield or GNB's HP extend are less useful... PLD's being potency based means it stacks with ramparts increased healing that and it can crit... yeah Guardian looks kinda wacky good.
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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    Ragnarok
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Yes, give me more tools to assist my healers.

    The problem isn't that tank gets more tools, it's the healer design that's lacking.
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Marilith
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I think the DRK excog is probably the most graceful way they've handled it in a while.

    I wish I had the job of whoever designs WAR though, imagine your only job as SE being the "add a regen" guy.
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  6. #6
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    Cat Toy
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    Mateus
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    Yes, give me more tools to assist my healers.

    The problem isn't that tank gets more tools, it's the healer design that's lacking.
    Assist me with what? Holy, gravity, art of war, dyskrasia spam in mobs and glare, malefic, broil, dosis on singles? xD
    That hasn't changed now nor will it change come DT it seems. The problem definitely is all the self sustain tanks and dps already have, the ones they are getting worsens it...but honestly the problem already exists. Add in the party wide healing and mits outside the healer role, and our role is gone (Why are we there?). With a lackluster dps kit, all we are left is one button spam as there is a lack of incoming damage. But sure, pump our heal kits even more when in reality you only need one heal to handle an entire AoE...and that is usually taken by a tank anyhow (divine veil, shake it off).
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    Last edited by Katish; 06-06-2024 at 11:56 PM.

  7. #7
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    Gullis Hil
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Tanks gets more healing to render healers useless.
    Healers gets more heals to ??????
    profit

    Unless they have some crazy damage output going on in DT, its another L for healers as usual
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Edit: RIP double post :/
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    Discount Hrothgar
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    Zalera
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    Botanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    Yes, give me more tools to assist my healers.

    The problem isn't that tank gets more tools, it's the healer design that's lacking.
    You can't "assist" me by taking my job away any more than you can "assist" me by unplugging my computer.

    Where's my button as a healer to "assist" my tanks by re-positioning mobs for them?

    What? That could be used for griefing by taking away someone's ability to play the game, you say? Hmmmmm.
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  10. #10
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Twintania
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CKNovel View Post
    Yes, give me more tools to assist my healers.

    The problem isn't that tank gets more tools, it's the healer design that's lacking.
    What's left to design when tanks can sustain themselves on their own and never die from hits anyway?

    If you're about to tell me that it's an encounter design, I'm kinda curious to see the actual nukes they'll need to feed into the game in order to overwhelm even a Warrior. And it amuses me to think of what would happen if it even farts the wrong way and hits something that's not a tank.
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