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    SE really has no clue what to do with Scholar do they.

    Okay, so the media tour stuff is out and we are all scrutinizing our jobs.

    Welp as I expected, but hoped otherwise, Dissipation for Scholar is still a thing, . I was hoping with the new Seraphism skill Dissipation would be gone, or changed in some way. But nope it's still there, still counterintuitive to the whole idea of having the pet.

    Regardless of it's look, Seraphism is a better version of Dissipation's idea, as it fits the theme better. The description even reads that you must have the faerie out to use it. Why is SE so adamant on keeping a skill that is so counterintuitive to the jobs gameplay. Please for the love of God SE change the skill. Whether it allow Energy Drain to return MP again. Being used on Aetherflow skills. Or finally applying that oGCD shield we've been asking years for. Scholar still has the lowest number of attacks, can we maybe repurpose it into and attack/heal(shield) combo; like every other healer has.

    I know I might sound salty, and I am, bit I've had to deal with that horrible skill for almost 10 years now, I am sick of it.

    Also I do know how to effectively use the skill when needed, I just really hate it. There is always a catch, that no other healer has to suffer from. Please SE fix Dissipation!
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    We get an ugly angel transformation that’s basically dissipation with no downsides and you wanna say it’s the thematic skill

    Seriously while I agree with your core point they have no idea what to do with SCH dissipation is not the problem with this dumpster fire of a class
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    dissipation is unironically the best skill scholar has and the last remaining bastion of interesting healer design I will defend it to my last breath. opportunity cost, reward for planning and smart use of fairy skills, and an emergency button all in one.
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    I gave AST a shot, and it's still miserable to play, even to think about. Worst iteration by far. Praying for 8.0, I guess...

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    The fact it’s a damage tool, a healing tool, an emergency tool but one that also punishes you if it’s your first choice to press in an emergency all rolled into one is fantastic skill design

    An ugly spirit Halloween angel garb that’s just a glorified spreadlo amplifier with zero downsides meanwhile is exactly the sort of design that the healers don’t need right now

    Who the hell thought what SCH needed was a 4th spreadlo amplifier and more pure healing, I mean what are the regen healers even here for anymore
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    I just don't understand why ruin2 potency remains unchanged, it surely can't be that hard to add it into the tactician mastery trait?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    We get an ugly angel transformation that’s basically dissipation with no downsides and you wanna say it’s the thematic skill

    Seriously while I agree with your core point they have no idea what to do with SCH dissipation is not the problem with this dumpster fire of a class
    I never said I liked the look of Seraphism, just that it makes more sense than Dissipation. If people like the skill, that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that it is counterintuitive to the idea of healing with a pet. Something needs to change. Whether that be the other healers have to take a hit in their respectively similar skills, or Dissipation is given a change. Something as simple as extending the healing increase to the Aetherflow skills is fine. It's used mostly for DPS anyway, why not provide a boost to attacks, something. Scholar has the least amount of offensive skills now, it's sad.

    You are right there are more underlining issues. I am just sick of seeing certain skills that clearly have a glaring issue, be left in the game. And regardless of whether people like it or not, it's counterintuitiveness cannot be debated. Why emphasize the faerie more, but have a skill to remove her?
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    I never said I liked the look of Seraphism, just that it makes more sense than Dissipation. If people like the skill, that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that it is counterintuitive to the idea of healing with a pet. Something needs to change. Whether that be the other healers have to take a hit in their respectively similar skills, or Dissipation is given a change. Something as simple as extending the healing increase to the Aetherflow skills is fine. It's used mostly for DPS anyway, why not provide a boost to attacks, something. Scholar has the least amount of offensive skills now, it's sad.

    You are right there are more underlining issues. I am just sick of seeing certain skills that clearly have a glaring issue, be left in the game. And regardless of whether people like it or not, it's counterintuitiveness cannot be debated. Why emphasize the faerie more, but have a skill to remove her?
    Because you pay the fairy to get a buff to spreadlo and completely refill your gauge

    No other healer can panic refill their gauge like SCH can with dissipation, it’s a tradeoff, that’s how healing works at its absolute core. The fairy is your tool, you send her away to get emergency healing, it’s a tactical decision, SCH isn’t a fairy mage

    Do you really think seraphism (which is as close to dissipation without the fairy we are ever going to get) is actually a well designed skill. The skill is 4 changes and buffs that basically amount to a spreadlo amplifier with zero downsides
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    They did say in EW and it seems they still have no idea. The additions powerful or not don't fix any of the job problems and even go against the job lore and theme (seraphism). Not surprised in the slightest at this point
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    Emnity management is a group responsibility, HP management is a group responsibility, Mitigation is a group responsibility ,DPS is a group responsibility
    Anybody saying "I only want to <x>" just tells me they are lazy and selfish.

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    Look guys every healer might suck but just wait until 8.0 then it will be fixed for sure!!!!
    Also i think the tanks and dps need more healing moves having 500/1000/regen potency heals every minute or 2 seems a little too weak to me.
    Only healers should heal btw - JP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Because you pay the fairy to get a buff to spreadlo and completely refill your gauge

    No other healer can panic refill their gauge like SCH can with dissipation, it’s a tradeoff, that’s how healing works at its absolute core. The fairy is your tool, you send her away to get emergency healing, it’s a tactical decision, SCH isn’t a fairy mage

    Do you really think seraphism (which is as close to dissipation without the fairy we are ever going to get) is actually a well designed skill. The skill is 4 changes and buffs that basically amount to a spreadlo amplifier with zero downsides
    I never said Seraphism was good design. How can I, it's new, and no one, besides a lucky few, have even had the chance to use it yet. I just said it fits better with the design of the job.

    Also, besides Sage, no other healer has a Guage like SCH. And Sages fills up automatically. And the "trade off" doesn't makes sense. Why do you need to lose 1/3 of your skills to get stacks to use another 1/3, while only boosting 3 spells? Regardless of anything, if the other healers don't have this caveat, the skill is designed poorly.

    We don't even have the option to end it early. Other skills of this nature don't completely lock you out of other skills, you just lose access to the granted skill(s) if you use a different one. That's not the case here. And you shouldn't have to "use all the faerie skills" beforehand.

    Plus there isn't a reward for using the skill. Three Aetherflow stacks and a 20% increase on spells the "meta" actively encourages people to not use, is hardly rewarding. The skill just needs something to feel better. Give us the option to end the mode early, like when ASTs use their bubble for brief seconds. Or maybe when the faerie returns have her perform a specific action, add a shield, do an attack, maybe both. Even the simple increase to Aetherflow heals would work. Something.

    I know I'm not the only person who feels this way. But I seem to be the only one who expresses it on the official forums.
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

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