Benchmark 1.1 Feedback - Viera

[Mahou-Shoujo]

Another bad edit lol

Also I demand speckled ears like in FFXII

[Freyen]

New benchmark still has issues with the darkened nose feature on viera male face 1.

Left image feature is on, right image is off.



Compared to how it looks ig now



With lighter skin tones it shows but the darker you go it disappears or turns reddish.

[Skivvy]

I'm really quite happy with how my main Viera has transferred over.

Endwalker:


Benchmark 1.1:



Her nose shading has changed a decent amount, but it's not anything I mind.

Her lip shape has changed, but compared to some other races/faces, it's pretty minor IMO. The upper lip has lost that "v" shape in the middle (where the upper/lower lips touch), and the bottom lip looks like she's had a bit of filler. I thought it looked slightly weird at some angles during the benchmark, but even that I feel may be a bit nitpicky. As a whole I think she survived the update pretty well!

My second Viera..

Endwalker:


Benchmark 1.1:


I really don't like the change in her lips on this one. The corners look downturned, she's also lost the shape to her upper lip (like my bun above), and the bottom lip also looks swollen. Makes for a not-great look to me. :X

For her nose, while I didn't mind the new shading on my main bun, I don't love it so much here. It seems to make her nose look more narrow at the tip vs. flaring a little.

Her jawline is also looking way more squared off, but I'm not sure if that's due to the shading, or the fact I forgot to put her in smallclothes for an even comparison, or what....but yeah. Not loving this for her.

Aside from her lips, I'm thinking the other items may not look quite so off to me once I get her in game. They seem to be more angle/lighting dependent (at least I'm hoping so).

[Roda]

New benchmark still has issues with the darkened nose feature on viera male face 1.

Left image feature is on, right image is off.



Compared to how it looks ig now



With lighter skin tones it shows but the darker you go it disappears or turns reddish.

This is the same problem happening with the lala tarutaru nose
I really hope they can fix this before launch.

So far my only complaints are:

Dunesfolk nose smudge is still being eaten by what I can only assume is the translucent skin shaders
EW

DT

And yeah, that bottom gif is toggling the feature off (matches skin tone) and on (pink blush).
It's like she has a drunk person's nose! D;

[Kiki_Dragonheart]

This is the same problem happening with the lala tarutaru nose
I really hope they can fix this before launch.


And yeah, that bottom gif is toggling the feature off (matches skin tone) and on (pink blush).
It's like she has a drunk person's nose! D;

oh i was just about to come here to post about this, i made a whole thread for it during the last benchmark feedback period! https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ial-feature%29

I didn't even think about the fact that fem lalas would be affected, but that makes so much sense now that both nose facial features broke due to the new way textures are being processed.

putting some example images from my thread here to have it more in one place:
current EW look when toggling the nose



vs in the DT benchmarks



I play a dark skinned viera myself so losing the dark nose and instead having this well...... I do not want to call it poop nose, but i keep thinking that every time I see the bright brown on it. It saddens me a little bit, so I really hope that gets addressed at some point during DT!

[NascentDeft]

Face 3, Eye 5, Nose 1, and Mouth 2

I think he came out looking great with the updated changes. My only issue is his lack of the Viera Nose. I know face 3 was always a little shafted on this aspect but I was happy to see it standing out in the last bench. In the current benchmark, it is completely gone. As many have said before I think the easiest solution would be to allow all faces to have the toggle for it. I know not many like the unique nose but it is what makes them Viera.

[AoifeAsturmaux]

Overall I'm very happy with how both my buns look in the benchmark! My face 3 bunboy Banri is looking much more like himself, and while I had been satisfied with how my main Aoife looked before, she looks even better with proper lighting!

That said, there was one thing I still wanted to provide feedback about. While Aoife looks fine with a straight face, she looks a little uncanny when she smiles now because her eye color is so light. I took a comparison pic in the live game to demonstrate the difference.



I did check her smile in the other light environments/at night/etc, and the uncanniness persists in all of them - I think it's just the way the eye is lit now? or something with the shading? Her smile midway through the benchmark trailer also looked odd to me.

I can't claim to understand everything that goes into making our wols look the way they do, but I made a diagram with some points I think are contributing to the uncanny valley effect.



And just to see, I did some quick editing in photoshop to try to get her smile looking closer to the way it currently does.



I did try darkening her eye color a little bit in the benchmark and that did help somewhat, but it also made her look different with a straight face >_<. Definitely willing to see how things look in 7.0 before deciding whether to change her eye color or not, but I figured I should say something instead of just crossing my fingers and hoping it'll work out!

If someone on staff is reading this, thank you for taking our feedback into consideration!

[MikatoKai]

It kind of ruins my bun boy. I'm going to submit a bug report with screenshots as evidence because it makes him look like he has allergies or something.

[milkteacatte]

I decided to sit down and make comparisons after staring at my bunny for a long, long time.
Right: Live game (6.58), Left: Dawntrail Benchmark 1.1

The overall facial structure of my Viera face 2 bunny has changed in ways that kind of make me go like, "You're you, but you're also NOT you..."
I think the biggest issue for me right now is the shape of the mouth has been completely compressed into a line, so his expression is just :| :| :|
His mouth used to have more shape, including a soft, noticeable "M" in the lower part of the upper lip. I really miss it, it throws off the face for me.
They also, for some reason, shaved his entire jawline and chin so now he lost his squishiness. Sigh.

[SkellCross]

Ngl I'm kinda shocked the other face 3 people are happy cause my boi losing his "rabbit nose" is a massive downgrade. Why even play a rabbit race if you don't want a rabbit feature :/

Visual examples:

before

after

Like I get people hate the "darkened nose" but I'd take the dark shading if he gets his rabbit nose back :/ I'm not sure why others are pleased with this change.