Benchmark 1.1 Feedback - Viera

[Halivel]

Okay...

Generally, I'm very happy with the changes at least for face 3 on male Viera. I definitely prefer the way their eyes and lips look in the new benchmark over live.

My only point of concern, really, is that the bunny nose became nearly invisible on them. It was already barely there on this face, and in the new benchmark you need to actively squint to see it, especially on darker skintones.

It's not a change I can't deal with, so it wouldn't be the end of the world for me if it stays this way, but I also think it's a shame to take it away, as it's a feature that is intergral to this race identity. Especially when there's face 1, and also female Viera who have their fuzzy bunny tip perfectly intact (as they should).





Regarding the benchmark cinematic: Elja still looks like black hole incarnate, but it's not as bad as it is in live, so I'm content.

[VerdeLuck]

I'm still seeing the same issues I had before with the old benchmark. Low resolution textures, missing racial or facial fdeatures, shape of a few facial features changed.

[Gwen_Lavellan]

Hey there !

Thank you for the Benchmark changes.

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

I am very disappointed and I consider using a filter...

BEFORE - 6.58


AFTER - BENCHMARK


ZOOM

Is it me, or Veena eyes colours pop more ? (In a good way imo).

But the lips…. Yeah, that’s not ok unfortunately. The lighting give me a kind of “bad lip contouring” feeling.
As for the the cute smile gone away, that’s a shame. I remember Clover reporting the same issue on her Viera .

Lip shape are an important part of the face, like the eyes. SE did great with the update and new benchmark saves eyes for most of the players but I’m reading a ton of concern for the lips by A LOT of the community.

I’m adding my voice to SE to improve this !

[Zeastria]

Everything i had issue with in the previous one got fixed! <3
I'm happy with the updated version

[Chrisie]

Hey there !

Thank you for the Benchmark changes.

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

I am very disappointed and I consider using a filter...

BEFORE - 6.58


AFTER - BENCHMARK


ZOOM

Uhh... there is no smile? I tried so hard to look into both lips and there is literally no difference other than the shadow is different on the second picture. Maybe this is what confused you?

[Irishfae]

Generally, I like the changes, but F Viera Face 4 got the same treatment as F Au Ra face 4 did and the more angular nature of the face was rounded enough to change them quite a bit.

Here is a side by side comparison, the first in the line is current EW - the subsequent ones are from the DT Bench. And in many of the shots she now looks childish, especially with the Grid and Ul'dah back drops and that is a little disappointing since there are other options for a 'younger' look


I also tried to get a visual of the rounding of the face. The DT face is showing as the transparent and you can see some rounding on the top part of the face.

[Roda]

Hey there !

Thank you for the Benchmark changes.

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

I am very disappointed and I consider using a filter...

BEFORE - 6.58


AFTER - BENCHMARK


ZOOM

It's an unfortunate side effect of the shadows being more accurate, sadly. :T
The original face had erroneous dark shadows in the corner of the mouth causing a fake ":]" to be interpreted, but if you follow the actual line of the lips, they're pretty 1:1 with the new version. The only difference is that the new version has subsurface scattering which dilutes those shadows with the light that's bouncing around in the skin.

Imo, I think it would be fine if they pushed up those lip corners just a bit to restore some of the illusion that was lost and make her look less... defeated?

[Tethan]

I am for the most part happy with the changes to my character in the new benchmark. He looks much more like himself again.



Observed changes:
- Soul has been returned to eyes
- Lower eyelashes no longer disappear when in shadow
- Redone texture of the face, weird chin/drawn on shadows on cheeks are gone
- Nose has been cleaned, perhaps a bit too clean but this is WAY preferable to the old benchmark, much better and closer to original
- Lips are better, not perfect like on live, but better

New issue/bug?
Eyelash extensions appear to clip strangely?

Old benchmark as example, similar to on live, the white lashes are full length


New benchmark, strange clipping/border. Lashes look a little bent.

[Asura_Vanith]

I really hope they don't go back on the nose cleaning aspect. If nothing else, it should be an option in the facial features for those who like it. The nose is looking so much better now, way closer to what my character looks like currently.

And I'll be honest I wasn't bothered by the changes, but after the new benchmark I can't even imagine going back to its first version, it's superior in every way.

[Felito]

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

I second this, I tried to take screenshots and drew over to show it more on my viera, using mouth type 1:
- Mouth corners seem to be lower than the middle of the mouth so it makes the mouth looks sulky
- From front, the lips look flatter; there was some kind of a tiny gap between lips before that made some depth to the lips, now it's a straight line
- The philtrum is larger in the benchmark, and the cupid bow is affected by it
- It also seems like the lips color are darker than before...

- Other than lips, it seems that the eyebrows are cut ? by the nose bridge (it looks cut whatever the nose type). It is only for face 3 with the 'more brows' option
- The eyeliner is a lighter black and doesn't blend well with the eyes like before... Is it possible to make the color darker?



And another thing for male viera, for this hairstyle I feel like the shadow is very pixelated and also weirdly placed? The shadow is like this for every face.