Thread: Benchmark 1.1 Feedback - Viera

Originally Posted by HildyElaHita

Hey there !

Thank you for the Benchmark changes.

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

I am very disappointed and I consider using a filter...

BEFORE - 6.58


AFTER - BENCHMARK


ZOOM

Face 3 user here! It also bothers me so hopefully they fix it. Bottom lips are not okay on face 3. You can easily notice it on lips 2 and 4, but it affects all lips. It is sad that last benchmark had the same issue and it wasn't fixed, and if people don't talk about it then it won't be fixed for official release.

Originally Posted by Cherrizini

Face 3 user here! It also bothers me so hopefully they fix it. Bottom lips are not okay on face 3. You can easily notice it on lips 2 and 4, but it affects all lips. It is sad that last benchmark had the same issue and it wasn't fixed, and if people don't talk about it then it won't be fixed for official release.

Same thing on male viera face 3 actually. I really miss that faint smile

My biggest problems with my many bnuuy currently are how very muted (almost invisible, even on pale faces) the rabbit nose is on male Viera faces compared to live and the changes to lip shape across the board. I'll bite the bullet and get cc data for both live and the 1.1bench for examples on all of them once I'm less busy (I have... so many Viera.....), but they're both visible on every comparison between live and current benchmark I remember.

Quoting own post so it is also in this Viera specific thread.

Originally Posted by Yencat

Veena face 3, mouth 1, eyebrows 2, eyes 4.

Overall, it's much improved from the first benchmark! The good;

The contours of the jaw are visible again, the dark halfmoon over the top half of the eyes is lessened so she doesn't look so ominous, the lips are glossier again, and the pupils are bigger again but the colour accuracy is still much better than the original Veena eyes.

The bad;

The line between the upper and lower lip is still missing its curve and is a straight line rather than a defined upper lip (this is an issue on almost everyone, it seems.), the already sparse Veena eyebrows are a little better, but still very smudgy and barely visible compared to currently.

The character isn't actually smiling in the before, but the shading in the corners of the mouth and the loss of shape in the circled area make the mouth look downturned, and it looks like she's posing for a mug shot instead of having a more serene, neutral expression.

I really don't know what to say about the eyebrows, but since there are complaints from other people that their character's eyebrows are suddenly too dark, I'd just like to once again suggest that you please let us color our eyebrows independently from the hair. I don't know how difficult this is to do from a technical perspective, but it would solve the issue of eyebrows being too light or too dark at the same time.

Originally Posted by Yencat

Quoting own post so it is also in this Viera specific thread.



The character isn't actually smiling in the before, but the shading in the corners of the mouth and the loss of shape in the circled area make the mouth look downturned, and it looks like she's posing for a mug shot instead of having a more serene, neutral expression.

I really don't know what to say about the eyebrows, but since there are complaints from other people that their character's eyebrows are suddenly too dark, I'd just like to once again suggest that you please let us color our eyebrows independently from the hair. I don't know how difficult this is to do from a technical perspective, but it would solve the issue of eyebrows being too light or too dark at the same time.

Yeah the eyebrows are another issue on their own. I swap between grey and the lightest pink, and my character looks eyebrowless on the benchmark. I find it funny and I don't mind the look, but I know it will bother a lot of people. It is prevalent in a lot of races so it will probably be fixed.

Originally Posted by Halivel

Tbh I do prefer new lips, at least on face 3 for guys. The shape seems to be generally the same for that one from what I observed, with most changes coming from new rendering and shading to give it more volume. The harsh shadow on the upper lip in Live version makes it look like they're different, but upon closer look they're honestly looking fairly identical in general outline. I'd need to fetch my tablet to draw over it and compare, though. (That's for face 3 only though, I didn't closely go over other faces for male Viera, and female Viera have more apparent differences where new rendering and shading doesn't really explain those)

The shading on the nose, on the other hand... Where's the bunny, SE. Where's the bunny?

Face 3 Lip 3 at least is noticeably different and it's not just shadow. unredlined, as a base; the redlined comparison is below (don't use for color comparison, I forgot to fuck with the benchmark gamma); the alignment is slightly off, i think, but it's not so far off that the lip shape should be changed as drastically as it is. If it was the only thing that got skipped in editing over it would be acceptable, to be clear, since his resting severe depression face hasn't been impacted, but it looks slightly... thinner isn't the word, scrunched? in a way I'm not a fan of. It's clearest in the cupid's bow, the peaks are higher and the dip is lower which when combined with how the lip color has been drawn in makes his mouth seem slightly smaller in comparison even though looking at the actual corners it clearly isn't. Even at my most generous, it's a narrower shape (the lower lip is less offensive, since it seems to be an issue of the texture being less blended).

Also looking at this I'm being reminded of how much I hate how thinned out the thick eyelashes option has been made... but yeah, it's part of broader changes in how the lips are being drawn and is part of a stylistic shift I do not enjoy even if, standalone, it would be tolerable.


Not my best work, my hands kept spasming at bad times, but you can see the what i'm talking about a bit better re: lips. It's minor compared to a lot, it's just... symptom of a broader problem I've seen a lot elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Cherrizini

Yeah the eyebrows are another issue on their own. I swap between grey and the lightest pink, and my character looks eyebrowless on the benchmark. I find it funny and I don't mind the look, but I know it will bother a lot of people. It is prevalent in a lot of races so it will probably be fixed.

I hope so! But I do have some doubts considering it is already an issue in the game right now with certain hair and skin color combinations.

The mouths seem a little off on almost everyone, so unless it was a deliberate choice I have more hopes of them fixing that.