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  1. #1
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    NascentDeft's Avatar
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    Dilana Velvet
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    Sargatanas
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    Rogue Lv 100


    Face 3, Eye 5, Nose 1, and Mouth 2

    I think he came out looking great with the updated changes. My only issue is his lack of the Viera Nose. I know face 3 was always a little shafted on this aspect but I was happy to see it standing out in the last bench. In the current benchmark, it is completely gone. As many have said before I think the easiest solution would be to allow all faces to have the toggle for it. I know not many like the unique nose but it is what makes them Viera.
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    milkteacatte's Avatar
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    Nilhain Hyzenth
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    Tonberry
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    Carpenter Lv 90
    I decided to sit down and make comparisons after staring at my bunny for a long, long time.
    Right: Live game (6.58), Left: Dawntrail Benchmark 1.1

    The overall facial structure of my Viera face 2 bunny has changed in ways that kind of make me go like, "You're you, but you're also NOT you..."
    I think the biggest issue for me right now is the shape of the mouth has been completely compressed into a line, so his expression is just :| :| :|
    His mouth used to have more shape, including a soft, noticeable "M" in the lower part of the upper lip. I really miss it, it throws off the face for me.
    They also, for some reason, shaved his entire jawline and chin so now he lost his squishiness. Sigh.



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    Last edited by milkteacatte; 06-07-2024 at 07:30 PM. Reason: updated images

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    Iyrngeim Blanskyltwyn
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    Tonberry
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Ngl I'm kinda shocked the other face 3 people are happy cause my boi losing his "rabbit nose" is a massive downgrade. Why even play a rabbit race if you don't want a rabbit feature :/

    Visual examples:

    before

    after

    Like I get people hate the "darkened nose" but I'd take the dark shading if he gets his rabbit nose back :/ I'm not sure why others are pleased with this change.
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    Elja Djt-dvre
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    Sagittarius
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkellCross View Post
    Ngl I'm kinda shocked the other face 3 people are happy cause my boi losing his "rabbit nose" is a massive downgrade. Why even play a rabbit race if you don't want a rabbit feature :/

    Like I get people hate the "darkened nose" but I'd take the dark shading if he gets his rabbit nose back :/ I'm not sure why others are pleased with this change.
    From what I've seen the lack of shading on male Viera noses for faces 2-4 is a common complaint even for those who're happy with most changes otherwise (myself included. Give me my bunny nose. It's part of Viera identity)
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    Danoninho Ice
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    i agree! i like my bunny nose, i hope they can tune up again the details not just a smudge
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    Oneiron Fuchs
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    Archer Lv 90
    I'm overall happy and the new hairstyle looks sick on my WOL!
    Though he doesn't look as pissed anymore, which im undecided on wether I prefer the older or new version. Also the nose has lost tons of bunny features. Hope it gets adressed.

    Endwalker:


    Dawntrail:

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    Gwen Lavellan
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LuciaMirain View Post
    Here I think I got everything right! I hope this helps. I couldnt get the hair on your forumpic though.








    last pic is with the other lips you requested.

    Thank you so much for taking the time to do this!

    Overall, that’s not that bad, except for the eyes when she smiles. I think I’ll keep the mouth 3 since it’s still relatively close to the one she has now.

    For the shin colour, the new lighting renforce the grey and red subtones, so maybe I’ll switch back to her previous one.

    Many many thanks again <3
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    Eirian Blaidd
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    Coeurl
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    Dancer Lv 100

    Male Viera Face 4 Needs Help!

    All below feedback is in regards to Male Viera, Veena, Face 4
    (Features selected: face 4, jaw 3, eye 3, eyebrow 1, nose 2, mouth 2)

    I have prepared a breakdown of many subtle and less subtle changes that I notice have added up to create a face that is unrecognizable. Brightness on Endwalker screenshots has been increased in order to see details more clearly. Thank you in advance for your consideration.
    Eye Shape:
    • The characteristic heavy/deep-set eyelid crease of the Endwalker graphics has been replaced with soft indistinct eyelid definition. The eyelid itself has a smoother upside down C-curve with a more upward slant in the outer half, whereas the previous graphics show an eyelid that slants upward in the inner third and then curves to slope slightly downward.
    • The black liner outline that defines the eye shape is hardly visible and smaller compared to Endwalker graphics. It also slopes downward at the outer corner in the Dawntrail Benchmark 1.1, where previously it winged out further and went straight out and slightly upward. This changes the eye appearance drastically.
    • The width of the eye socket appears to have narrowed due to changes to the shape of the black outline and the inner corner, as well as the thicker lower waterline.
    These changes lead to an eye that appears less open and less defined in the Dawntrail Benchmark 1.1.







    Eyebrows:
    • The eyebrows are thinner and less visible in Dawntrail Benchmark 1.1 compared to Endwalker graphics. (See Above)

    Eyeliner Tattoo:
    • The eyeliner tattoo is hardly visible in the Dawntrail Benchmark 1.1. In Endwalker graphics, the tattoo has more opacity, lining the upper and lower lash lines and extending the outer corners. In Benchmark 1.1, it appears only faintly at the outer corners.

    Endwalker Benchmark, shown in darkest black swatch
    Dawntrail Benchmark 1.1, shown in darkest black swatch
    Comparison, shown in red swatch with brightness and saturation up for visibility


    TO BE CONTINUED IN PART 2 DUE TO CHARACTER LIMITS (1/2)
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    Eirian Blaidd
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    Coeurl
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    Dancer Lv 100

    Male Viera Face 4 Needs Help! (Cont.)

    CONTINUED FROM PART 1 (2/2)

    All below feedback is in regards to Male Viera, Veena, Face 4
    (Features selected: face 4, jaw 3, eye 3, eyebrow 1, nose 2, mouth 2)

    Lip Shape:
    • In Endwalker, the upper lip was larger than the lower lip and full to the corners, with a more angular shape. The lip seam contours served to emphasize the pouty fullness of the heavier upper lip. The lower lip was also full, but narrower. Overall, the upper lip was emphasized.
    • In Dawntrail Benchmark 1.1, the upper lip is smaller than the lower lip and the emphasis has shifted to the lower lip. The lips are rounded instead of angular, taper out gradually to the corners, and appear more like Face 3 lips.
    The Endwalker lip shape is a prominent and beloved characteristic of Face 4, distinct from the unique lip shapes of the other male viera face types.





    Jaw/Chin:
    • The jawline (Type 3) appeared wider and more angular in Endwalker graphics, and appears longer, narrower, and more rounded and v-shaped in Dawntrail Benchmark 1.1. This makes the face appear more heart-shaped and elongated compared to Endwalker’s Face 4.
    • In Endwalker graphics, the Face 4 chin is distinctly square and has sharp contours, which harmonizes with their other angular features. In the Dawntrail Benchmark 1.1, the chin is rounded which makes it appear softer and also longer.
    • There are indentations in the sides of the jawline in Dawntrail Benchmark 1.1 that appear to be an unintentional graphical error.





    Nose:
    • The lighter bunny nose detail appears less prominent and is hard to see in Dawntrail Benchmark 1.1.




    The facial features together as they are in Endwalker lend a classical beauty to male viera Face 4 that I hope can be returned with some changes. Whoever designed this face for Endwalker did so lovingly and with amazing talent, and I hope that their artistic vision and hard work can be preserved.

    As someone who likes extremes and dramatic visuals, who chose Face 4 for it’s Michael-Angelo-esque details as well as it's striking, glam-rock eye makeup, I hope that these issues can be rectified. As you can probably tell, this face means way way too much to me. I am on my knees.

    Thank you so much to the Devs for your time and consideration.

    Quotes from a friend: "No more Roman statue?" "That's a completely different face." "It's not an 80s glam rock face anymore."

    First DT benchmark post: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6442627
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    Last edited by EBlaidd; 08-07-2024 at 05:08 PM. Reason: Re-adding broken image

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    DemiBajamut's Avatar
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    Mountaindew Bajablast
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Pictomancer Lv 100
    I like the changes made in the 1.1 version of the benchmark and am for the most part satisfied, however I have one issue left where I don't really like the change to the mouth. The lips seem to be a different shape, more flat, and overall seem wider. I also agree with the others and I hope the nose shading is changed to be more noticeable, if I wanted a regular human nose I'd just play another race.
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    Last edited by DemiBajamut; 06-13-2024 at 03:26 AM.

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