Benchmark 1.1 Feedback - Viera

**Chrisie** · 06-05-2024 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by HildyElaHita

Hey there !

Thank you for the Benchmark changes.

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

I am very disappointed and I consider using a filter...

BEFORE - 6.58

AFTER - BENCHMARK

ZOOM

Uhh... there is no smile? I tried so hard to look into both lips and there is literally no difference other than the shadow is different on the second picture. Maybe this is what confused you?

**Roda** · 06-05-2024 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by HildyElaHita

Hey there !

Thank you for the Benchmark changes.

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

I am very disappointed and I consider using a filter...

BEFORE - 6.58

AFTER - BENCHMARK

ZOOM

It's an unfortunate side effect of the shadows being more accurate, sadly. :T
The original face had erroneous dark shadows in the corner of the mouth causing a fake ":]" to be interpreted, but if you follow the actual line of the lips, they're pretty 1:1 with the new version. The only difference is that the new version has subsurface scattering which dilutes those shadows with the light that's bouncing around in the skin.

Imo, I think it would be fine if they pushed up those lip corners just a bit to restore some of the illusion that was lost and make her look less... defeated?

**Felito** · 06-05-2024 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by HildyElaHita

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

I second this, I tried to take screenshots and drew over to show it more on my viera, using mouth type 1:
- Mouth corners seem to be lower than the middle of the mouth so it makes the mouth looks sulky
- From front, the lips look flatter; there was some kind of a tiny gap between lips before that made some depth to the lips, now it's a straight line
- The philtrum is larger in the benchmark, and the cupid bow is affected by it
- It also seems like the lips color are darker than before...

- Other than lips, it seems that the eyebrows are cut ? by the nose bridge (it looks cut whatever the nose type). It is only for face 3 with the 'more brows' option
- The eyeliner is a lighter black and doesn't blend well with the eyes like before... Is it possible to make the color darker?

And another thing for male viera, for this hairstyle I feel like the shadow is very pixelated and also weirdly placed? The shadow is like this for every face.

**Cherrizini** · 06-05-2024 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by HildyElaHita

Hey there !

Thank you for the Benchmark changes.

Unfortunately, it seems that there are still existing issues in the design of viera face 3, especially concerning the lips. Something is wrong, my viera who had a cute smile before is kinda sulking now. Bottom lips need to be softer or something. I tried many colors but I didn't find any solution.

I am very disappointed and I consider using a filter...

BEFORE - 6.58

AFTER - BENCHMARK

ZOOM

Face 3 user here! It also bothers me so hopefully they fix it. Bottom lips are not okay on face 3. You can easily notice it on lips 2 and 4, but it affects all lips. It is sad that last benchmark had the same issue and it wasn't fixed, and if people don't talk about it then it won't be fixed for official release.

**SongOfTheWind** · 06-05-2024 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Cherrizini

Face 3 user here! It also bothers me so hopefully they fix it. Bottom lips are not okay on face 3. You can easily notice it on lips 2 and 4, but it affects all lips. It is sad that last benchmark had the same issue and it wasn't fixed, and if people don't talk about it then it won't be fixed for official release.

Same thing on male viera face 3 actually. I really miss that faint smile

**larcei** · 06-05-2024 02:52 PM

I posted my concerns in another thread, but I'll lightly reiterate here; I don't really like how dull hair has gotten, even black hair, and I'd like if some of its vibrancy could be restored. Eyebrows are worse as a result as well.

I also agree that the lips could use some work. I see the vision, but they look off? Some of it is shaders, some of it is unfortunate reshaping (my condolences to all female Viera affected), and some of it is... artistic decisions, probably? I have mixed feelings about what's become of my boy's lipstick, but I'll wait to see his emotes in the game before I let myself sulk. He does look much, much better than in the original benchmark, though.

**Gwen_Lavellan** · 06-04-2024 11:18 PM

LuciaMirain : there it is

Rava
Face 3
Skin tone: row 1, line 13 (Rgb 154,115,101)
Haircut: the one on my forum icon
Hair colour: row 5 line 6
Hair highlights: row 2 line 8
Jaw 2
Eyes 3
Iris (Pupils?) : big
Eye colour: row 2, line 21
Eyebrows: 3
Nose 3
Mouth 1 (but if you can also show me with 3 as well, because lips are now bigger and I’m considering switching for 3)
Lip Color ; translucent, row 3 line 6
Ears 1 , length 60
Distinctive signs : both on the 1st line (eyebrows and jewel), second on the 2nd line (second eyeliner option)
No tats
Make up 3 on the first line
Opaque, row 6 line 10

Her look in game for comparison:

Thank you again <3

**LuciaMirain** · 06-08-2024 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by Gwen_Lavellan

LuciaMirain : there it is

Rava
Face 3
Skin tone: row 1, line 13 (Rgb 154,115,101)
Haircut: the one on my forum icon
Hair colour: row 5 line 6
Hair highlights: row 2 line 8
Jaw 2
Eyes 3
Iris (Pupils?) : big
Eye colour: row 2, line 21
Eyebrows: 3
Nose 3
Mouth 1 (but if you can also show me with 3 as well, because lips are now bigger and I’m considering switching for 3)
Lip Color ; translucent, row 3 line 6
Ears 1 , length 60
Distinctive signs : both on the 1st line (eyebrows and jewel), second on the 2nd line (second eyeliner option)
No tats
Make up 3 on the first line
Opaque, row 6 line 10

Her look in game for comparison:

Thank you again <3

Here I think I got everything right! I hope this helps. I couldnt get the hair on your forumpic though.

last pic is with the other lips you requested.

**PaleYonder** · 06-04-2024 11:28 PM

I don't have screenshots ready, but just to add my feedback:
My Face 3 male Veena, I was always super happy with, the first benchmark was already amazing, I loved how his expression turned up the mischievous air more - perfect. I wasn't a fan of the dark nose smudge, and now that that's gone too, I'm even happier.
My Face 4 male Veena looked weird and off in the first benchmark, something about it that I couldn't explain seemed to change his features completely, and I grudgingly got used to the thought of Face 1 as an alternative. The new benchmark really surprised me there, I gave Face 4 another go, wasn't even optimistic, but now he looks great, even better than in the current live game, so great job there, many thanks SE, he can have his normal face model after all.

(Edit for typo)

**Halivel** · 06-05-2024 12:20 AM

Okay...

Generally, I'm very happy with the changes at least for face 3 on male Viera. I definitely prefer the way their eyes and lips look in the new benchmark over live.

My only point of concern, really, is that the bunny nose became nearly invisible on them. It was already barely there on this face, and in the new benchmark you need to actively squint to see it, especially on darker skintones.

It's not a change I can't deal with, so it wouldn't be the end of the world for me if it stays this way, but I also think it's a shame to take it away, as it's a feature that is intergral to this race identity. Especially when there's face 1, and also female Viera who have their fuzzy bunny tip perfectly intact (as they should).

Regarding the benchmark cinematic: Elja still looks like black hole incarnate, but it's not as bad as it is in live, so I'm content.

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