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    Sjol Fantl
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    I do think that FFXIV relies too much on ST/AoE symmetry. It creates the illusion of variety while not actually producing it. AoE rotations tend to be shortened versions of the ST rotations, but otherwise identical. I've wondered why they don't create more unique AoE and Cleave Abilities (i.e., 2 target)

    MNK does a channeling tornado kick for 5s with 30% mit
    NIN does a dash strike hitting up to 5 enemies in range as long as each one isn't more than 10 yalms from each other
    BLM drops a fire tornado in a designated location doing damage over time to enemies in proximity
    BLM drops a lightning storm over a targeted enemy that follow them randomly striking OTHER mobs
    DRK gets a shield that absorbs damage and then does an AoE burst after it takes X damage doing Y% of damage absorbed.

    Some of these might feel familiar from other games because there's a wide design space that's doable that SE isn't using. I would love to see some variations here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sjol View Post
    I do think that FFXIV relies too much on ST/AoE symmetry. It creates the illusion of variety while not actually producing it. AoE rotations tend to be shortened versions of the ST rotations, but otherwise identical. I've wondered why they don't create more unique AoE and Cleave Abilities (i.e., 2 target)
    The most confusing thing about that to me is that they will add new abilities that do ST damage and then falloff AoE, but also keep adding unnecessary AoE or ST versions of existing ST or AoE skills. SAM has two very blatant examples in Shoha II and Senei when they could have just added AoE to Shoha and adjusted the numbers on Guren.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    The most confusing thing about that to me is that they will add new abilities that do ST damage and then falloff AoE, but also keep adding unnecessary AoE or ST versions of existing ST or AoE skills. SAM has two very blatant examples in Shoha II and Senei when they could have just added AoE to Shoha and adjusted the numbers on Guren.
    I'm pretty sure this is because they feel the need to give you something every even level during an expac. Honestly, if they had abandoned that approach a long time ago, we could probably have much better feeling advancement.

    I think WoW handled it with your primary kit being done by 50 or something and then talents coming in after that, but it's been a long time since I've played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    The most confusing thing about that to me is that they will add new abilities that do ST damage and then falloff AoE, but also keep adding unnecessary AoE or ST versions of existing ST or AoE skills. SAM has two very blatant examples in Shoha II and Senei when they could have just added AoE to Shoha and adjusted the numbers on Guren.
    The worst thing is the devs already made this mistake. HW was plagued with massive button bloat, and one of the first major reactions in stormblood was to consolidate useless buttons. Some of the buttons added, such as Guren and Foul, were combined single target/aoe skills. So, of course, the literal next expansion, Foul and Guren are now aoe-exclusive, and xenoglossy/senei were added for single target only. Frankly I'm surprised it took this long for the bloat to get completely out of hand again since they already were bad as of ShB.
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