Please focus on giving console players more hotbar space, instead of removing actions

[velswen]

Every expansion we lose buttons or buttons are consolidated in the name of not having too many buttons. I don't think this is sustainable if FFXIV is to continue for years to come. Kaiten on Samurai is one example.

I think it would suck if every expansion for the next 10 years just added more follow-up attacks to already existing buttons, or removed old buttons to make space for the new. That isn't near as interesting as adding totally new, separate buttons.

Keyboard players have plenty of space for new buttons thanks to the ability to swap hotbars with any number of different button combinations or add "shift + button" or "ctrl + button," utilizing the numpad, etc. Even for people with small hands, it should be very easy to hit the first 4~5 numbers and many of the letters around WASD.

But I recognize it is different for controller players.

Rather than continue removing or replacing skills, could we please see more actual unique actions in the future, alongside work being done to give console players a better experience on classes with a many actions?

I don't know what this would look like, but as I said, the current strategy isn't sustainable. I've found myself dreading each new expansion's job changes more than being excited for them because I'm afraid of my favorite classes losing actions or systems that I love because of hotbar space.

[zarahleo]

Agreed, it would be extremely easy to just drop in another WXHB hotbar set on top of the current ones by using a combination such as hold R1+R2 or L1+L2 or perhaps a double click of one of those although the double clikc is already used they could make it an option to change it to a 3rd set.

[angienessyo]

Agreed, it would be extremely easy to just drop in another WXHB hotbar set on top of the current ones by using a combination such as hold R1+R2 or L1+L2 or perhaps a double click of one of those although the double clikc is already used they could make it an option to change it to a 3rd set.

I think the better solution would be for controllers to start having the extra bumpers that the Xbox Elite and PS5 Edge controllers have on the back. Holding R1+R2 or L1+L2 would really fatigue my small hands. I just tested how it would feel on a PS5 controller and the R1+R2 or L1+L2 combination adds a lot of stress to holding the controller. It's probably a non issue for bigger hands, but would be too much for mine.

[CaedemSanguis]

I think the better solution would be for controllers to start having the extra bumpers that the Xbox Elite and PS5 Edge controllers have on the back. Holding R1+R2 or L1+L2 would really fatigue my small hands. I just tested how it would feel on a PS5 controller and the R1+R2 or L1+L2 combination adds a lot of stress to holding the controller. It's probably a non issue for bigger hands, but would be too much for mine.

It’s a prank or do you guys are really aiming for a 50-60-70 buttons rotation ?

[Halivel]

It’s a prank or do you guys are really aiming for a 50-60-70 buttons rotation ?

I'd cry into cosmos if I'll ever need to clear Savage with 50 buttons long rotations. Some jobs already have hellish APM as it is.

[Tint]

It’s a prank or do you guys are really aiming for a 50-60-70 buttons rotation ?

No I am fine with a 1 button rotation. But I wish I had more healing spells.

[angienessyo]

It’s a prank or do you guys are really aiming for a 50-60-70 buttons rotation ?

Oh I'm not, I was just saying if they ever wanted more buttons in rotations, controllers would have to be designed differently to make it happen. I personally don't want more buttons. I main NIN, I got enough buttons already haha.

[Iscah]

Agreed, it would be extremely easy to just drop in another WXHB hotbar set on top of the current ones by using a combination such as hold R1+R2 or L1+L2 or perhaps a double click of one of those although the double clikc is already used they could make it an option to change it to a 3rd set.

L1 and R1 already have their own function while the hotbars are active, which is to allow quick targeting left and right through enemies visible on the screen. I wouldn't want to give that up, and especially just to pile in an unnecessarily large amount of additional skills.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I feel like we need to have a discussion about why people think more skills equals more better.


We don't need 36+ skills that are used.


That's too much. Make it 20 and make them actually matter.

[GrizzlyTank]

I feel like we need to have a discussion about why people think more skills equals more better.


We don't need 36+ skills that are used.


That's too much. Make it 20 and make them actually matter.

Yeah, got to love the button fetishists.

What actually matters for good combat is flow and sound design. Not the amount of button one has.