Benchmark Male Miqo'te Face 1 Feedback: Nope, still F#%@ed.

[TheVegetable]

Welp. DT's out, and it's still screwed. Hopefully they'll fix it in a later patch at least. Until then, time to cover my catboy's face!

[TheCat]

Welp. DT's out, and it's still screwed. Hopefully they'll fix it in a later patch at least. Until then, time to cover my catboy's face!

That sucks I doubt anything will happen with a later patch cause now people are using their free fanta, so they can't go and change it again later >_<

[TheVegetable]

That sucks I doubt anything will happen with a later patch cause now people are using their free fanta, so they can't go and change it again later >_<

I hope they at the very least correct the lip texture. Because at this point, I think that's likely to be the biggest problem with the mouth, and I reckon would be relatively simple to do (unlike adjusting the model itself).

I will say, though I really can't put my finger on it, I think they maybe adjusted something about the mouth? I'm probably wrong. The lip texture definitely is still all wrong

[Lambdafish]

That sucks I doubt anything will happen with a later patch cause now people are using their free fanta, so they can't go and change it again later >_<

People using a (free) fantasia is not a reason to keep people's characters looking worse. Plus, I believe the devs said that the graphics update was a constant work in progress, so there will definitely be changes and improvements over time.

[Sairaag]

Well, it's even worse in live since the benchmark trailer had pretty generous facial animations making the changes more tolerable! Sorry, guys - I honestly wanted to be polite and constructive, but I really am too annoyed right now because my Miqo'te still looks like his dim, gormless cousin and I just don't want to take him into the expansion I paid for. I'm watching Praetorium cutscenes right now, and he's so sleepy and uninterested compared to how he was before. In the second cutscene with the question, my guy's old scandalised expression has become a sort of "eeehhh huuuuhhh what'd he say" look.

Fantasia can't fix this. I still even have the first free fantasia because the original face was nearly perfect to me. It was an incredible blend of beautiful and handsome. Now it's more like, how about a free paper bag glam for the head slot instead.

[TheDruidOcelot]

the kermit the frog mouth size is one of the worst bits.

its SO MUCH WORSE.

its legitimately a downgrade.

they made my favorite alt UGLY.

they made his eyes 1/3 the size AT BEST, made his mouth TRIPLE the width, and narrowed and straightened his nose, removing his major charm point of having a rounder nose that was upturned at the end.

i hate everything about it.

[LeonardGodwyn]

My catboy lost his eyebrows, the scar is terribly long, his face overall so soft

[Aco505]

Crossposting here because most of the concerns in this thread have not been addressed.

I'm going to provide my feedback on the male miqo'te face 1 with mouth 4, although some of it will likely apply to other faces, genders or races.

After playing for a bit, I'm getting more used to the changes but there's several issues I see:

- Eye color is faded and darker compared to before. This is the biggest issue in my opinion. While they made the eyes look better from the first benchmark version to the second, the color of the eyes is still faded and darker compared to before. I suppose it's because it doesn't have the extra luminosity it used to have.

However, the consequence is that the character still looks "dead inside". When very specific lighting conditions are met, the eyes look fine but these situations are not that common. This also happens when I check other characters. It's hard to see the color of the irises of Keepers sometimes, for instance.

Additionally, the slit pupils of Seekers are less prominent now and harder to see.

- Eyebrows are thinner and faded and so is their color. Our eyebrows are simply less noticeable than before and face 1 didn't have thick ones to begin with, thus worsening the situation. The color of the stubble for face 1 also looks a bit faded to me.

- I personally don't mind the changes to mouth 4 but I agree that it's a big difference.

What I do feel is that the idle pose for mouth 4 makes it look as if we're smiling now. I'm not too sure if it's due to the lip color I have or if it's just like this. When checking other characters, it seems alright but sometimes when I look at mine it feels like the expression has changed for mouth 4 from normal or slightly serious to slightly smiling.

Lip color is also different.

On another note, I'm very happy that we lost the lip gap that many other mouths also had. I do wish for them to include it as an option to appeal to those players that do want it back, particularly for specific female miqo'te players.

- I have noticed that Koana has special features despite otherwise being a normal male miqo'te with face 1. One of the features that bothers me the most though is the fact that he has lower eyelashes whose color match his hair. Why can't we have those too? We literally have no lower eyelashes at all.

- The low resolution textures are still there and should be fixed: on the sides of the face, below the lower eyelids (and the lower eyelids themselves), the male markings below the eyes and face paint.

- My portraits look very weird now. I don't know what it is but they feel off and the face emotes don't convey the same feeling they did before.

Overall, the textures and graphics are great but I still feel like there's several areas to improve on. A lot of the feedback from previous posts such as this one or this very thread has not been addressed. Also, as I expected, the body being lower resolution is jarring now.

They did improve it a bit but it's far from what it should be. Fingers need more work but toes look great. I suppose it's because the former are more complex body parts due to their movement.

I will conclude by attaching my own two pictures below of the before and after for comparison.

[Sairaag]

Figured I'd post my new screenshots here too.



Same MSQ scenes, different graphics. In EW, he has more variety. In DT, the eyelids dominate the expression. He seems less awake. The lighter eyebrows hurt a lot with face 1, because a smooth face really needs all of its points of detail and definition.



Different expressions. Looking at this, I'm making the same face.



Bright lighting shots, first in front of a window and then in the Praetorium. Even when being blasted in the face with light, the EW version has some deeper shadows giving emphasis to the more angular shapes of the eye. DT, on the other hand, is very soft and round. It's like all the subtle angles that gave this face character have been carefully sandpapered and blur-tooled off.



While we're in the Praetorium, my old face never had its features melt this like!

Using the eyeshadow face paint helps a little with putting some detail back in his face.



Just, you know, don't use other face paints. That's a problem for me, because I like to use different face paints.

I'm honestly a bit shocked. No one's even told me they're identical yet, so maybe it's that noticeable.

[Doopliss]

I haven't said much about this face because I feel like this thread covers it a lot better than I can, but I wanted to +1 because the feature changes really changed the feel of the expressions.

I honestly laughed aloud when I saw this change upon logging in. He went from looking gently bothered to so...genuinely scared. God. I can deal with it...but I really hope they actually change it.